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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrift View Post
    Yeah, that might be it. I don't know. I mean, I watched a lot of movies in the 80s, and none of those others felt as corny. Maybe I would have given it a pass back then, but I know 10 years later when movies like Bad Boys, and The Rock came out, I thought they were completely cheeseball and over the top stupid. Granted, I really liked Beverly Hills Cops I and II when they came out, and they're also Bruckheimer productions, so...eh, who knows. I haven't revisited them since the 80s, and maybe they don't stand up to the test of time as well as I remember though.
    Well none of them including Top Gun were meant to be intellectual films, just feel-good flicks. And Top Gun was a chick flick disguised as an action flick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    You have to realize that all of the tropes weren't really that cliche back when the film first came out. A lot of films copied from this one and made them tropes. It looks pretty corny to me today too, but I thought it was great when it first came out.
    It's like watching a Marx Brothers movie and seeing all these jokes that were old back when you were a kid. You should understand that these old jokes were new when the movie introduced them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Well none of them including Top Gun were meant to be intellectual films, just feel-good flicks. And Top Gun was a chick flick disguised as an action flick.
    Yeah, I realize that. The idea that popcorn movies get a pass for being stupid is unfortunately the counter-argument I often hear from people who defend films like Independence Day and Transformers, but there are plenty of great pop-corn movies that are also smart. It's not a prerequisite of mindless popcorn movies to be dumb, so for instance Empire Strikes Back, Raiders of the Lost Ark/Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade, 3 of 4 Mad Max movies, Die Hard, Romancing the Stone, Lethal Weapon, Alien/s, Terminator, etc.. You've got a point about it being a chick flick disguised as an action flick though.

    I recently watched The Right Stuff for the first time as well, and while I liked it a whole lot better than Top Gun, and loved how many major future stars were in it, it also had a bit of that schmaltzy dialogue and over the top/over produced sheen to it. So, yeah, you may have a point about the decade, and I'm just looking back on the films I like with Rose tinted glasses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    It's like watching a Marx Brothers movie and seeing all these jokes that were old back when you were a kid. You should understand that these old jokes were new when the movie introduced them.
    Mossy invented the "why did the chicken cross the road" joke. But it started out as "why did the Archaeopteryx cross the clearing?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    It's like watching a Marx Brothers movie and seeing all these jokes that were old back when you were a kid. You should understand that these old jokes were new when the movie introduced them.
    As a major movie buff, I'd like to think I'm past that. I routinely attempt to look at films from the perspective of the audience of the period. Sometimes that easier said than not. I LOVE the Marx Brothers, and think their comedy is timeless. The Three Stooges is a whole lot harder for me to relate to. Perhaps it's because I lived through the 70s and 80s that it's harder for me to give 80s films a pass.

    Off topic, but I'm currently 215 films away from completing the 1001 Movies You Must See Before You Die. Top Gun and The Right Stuff were on that list, which is why I finally caught up with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrift View Post
    Yeah, I realize that. The idea that popcorn movies get a pass for being stupid is unfortunately the counter-argument I often hear from people who defend films like Independence Day and Transformers, but there are plenty of great pop-corn movies that are also smart. It's not a prerequisite of mindless popcorn movies to be dumb, so for instance Empire Strikes Back, Raiders of the Lost Ark/Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade, 3 of 4 Mad Max movies, Die Hard, Romancing the Stone, Lethal Weapon, Alien/s, Terminator, etc.. You've got a point about it being a chick flick disguised as an action flick though.

    I recently watched The Right Stuff for the first time as well, and while I liked it a whole lot better than Top Gun, and loved how many major future stars were in it, it also had a bit of that schmaltzy dialogue and over the top/over produced sheen to it. So, yeah, you may have a point about the decade, and I'm just looking back on the films I like with Rose tinted glasses.
    Yeah the 80s and 90s were kind of the dawn of the "popcorn" movies genre. Some were actually pretty good. I still like the Matrix films, and Blade Runner is one of my favorite movies of all time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrift View Post
    As a major movie buff, I'd like to think I'm past that. I routinely attempt to look at films from the perspective of the audience of the period. Sometimes that easier said than not. I LOVE the Marx Brothers, and think their comedy is timeless. The Three Stooges is a whole lot harder for me to relate to. Perhaps it's because I lived through the 70s and 80s that it's harder for me to give 80s films a pass.

    Off topic, but I'm currently 215 films away from completing the 1001 Movies You Must See Before You Die. Top Gun and The Right Stuff were on that list, which is why I finally caught up with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Yeah the 80s and 90s were kind of the dawn of the "popcorn" movies genre. Some were actually pretty good. I still like the Matrix films, and Blade Runner is one of my favorite movies of all time.
    I'd say the official start was Jaws and then the Star Wars films, but yeah, the 80s is really when it exploded.

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    This is the only Tom Cruise movie I'm interested in:

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    I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.

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    The shameful thing about this movie is that the F-14 is mostly CGI and she's flown by the bad guy.

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