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    Trump Stings The Bees!

    President Trump ends funding for the USDA research into honeybee decline. He then reversed an Obama administration rule barring the use of a pesticide known to be a major factor in the decline of honeybees. On top of that, he is basically closing up shop and dismissing the scientists who do this, and other research at the United States Department of Agriculture. He abruptly decided to move the USDA from Washington DC to Kansas City and gave the scientists working there 1 month to either uproot their lives, pack up and make their way to Kansas City, or lose their jobs. Most so far, I'm assuming just as Trump had planned, have decided to lose their jobs.

    Honeybees are extremely important, have been in decline, and are necessary for the pollination of much of the food we eat. Can any of you Trumpsters make any sense of this other than corporate pay back for their financial support for Trump, or the reversing of anything Obama?

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    The destruction of US scientific leadership is staggering and economically idiotic. Policies like this make me wonder whether a foreign enemy has some leverage over POTUS.
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    How about some links to support your claims JimL?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    How about some links to support your claims JimL?
    Please. We're lucky to get a readable OP.

    A fair chunk of the OP is hard to support at all, links or not. Trump personally did all that, while dealing with everything else a President does? I really doubt it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    How about some links to support your claims JimL?
    He's just explaining the news.
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    It wasn't Trump, it was the EPA rolling back a ban on sulfaxoflor, because it was found not to be as detrimental since it broke down quickly in the environment.

    https://www.epa.gov/ingredients-used...de-sulfoxaflor

    Source: EPA - Decision to Register New Uses for the Insecticide Sulfoxaflo

    EPA is registering new uses for the insecticide sulfoxaflor and restoring previously registered uses. This decision is backed by substantial data and ensures that when used according to the label, sulfoxaflor poses no significant risk to human health and lower risk to non-target wildlife, including pollinators, than registered alternatives. Sulfoxaflor is an effective tool for growers that has a lower environmental impact because it disappears from the environment faster than widely-used alternatives like neonicotinoids. Growers may have seen substantial losses (up to 50 percent for certain crops) due to pests that can now be treated with sulfoxaflor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonhard View Post
    It wasn't Trump, it was the EPA rolling back a ban on sulfaxoflor, because it was found not to be as detrimental since it broke down quickly in the environment.

    https://www.epa.gov/ingredients-used...de-sulfoxaflor

    Source: EPA - Decision to Register New Uses for the Insecticide Sulfoxaflo

    EPA is registering new uses for the insecticide sulfoxaflor and restoring previously registered uses. This decision is backed by substantial data and ensures that when used according to the label, sulfoxaflor poses no significant risk to human health and lower risk to non-target wildlife, including pollinators, than registered alternatives. Sulfoxaflor is an effective tool for growers that has a lower environmental impact because it disappears from the environment faster than widely-used alternatives like neonicotinoids. Growers may have seen substantial losses (up to 50 percent for certain crops) due to pests that can now be treated with sulfoxaflor.

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    There is a bit more to the story than is covered in the EPA statements. First , the insecticide is highly toxic to bees in all stages of development, but the EPA hopes to reduce it impact on them by more extensive labeling and procedures that if followed could help limit exposure of the bees to it. Bee keepers tend to be against it, with Ohio beekeepers filing suit:

    Source: link below

    “EPA adjusted the pesticide label, reducing the bee-attractive crops on which the chemical could be applied. However, let’s be concise: the active ingredient, Sulfoxaflor, is toxic to chewing and sucking insects. Honey bees and other pollinators are chewing and sucking insects,” program director Michele Colopy told the Indiana Environmental Reporter in a statement. “With little to no data on the degradation of Sulfoxaflor, and no research of tank mixes with Sulfoxaflor, it remains a bee toxic pesticide contaminating bee forage through drift and residue. With the expansion of the use of Sulfoxaflor, EPA is ignoring the threats to essential agricultural and ecological pollination services, and to the very livelihood of beekeepers tasked with providing the managed honey bees to pollinate our crops.”

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    There is an other factor that is important especially in this administration - the parent company producing the insecticide donated $1 million to the Trump campaign. That and Trump's reduction of the capacity and effectiveness of the EPA mean that this reversal is suspicious, and it may be dangerous. Bee populations are on the decline and insecticides like these to seem to be at the heart of it. So it may well be a very short sighted decision, because it will be much harder to create the seed for the new crops if the honeybee population vanishes or is significantly reduced.

    The EPA rates the insecticide as highly toxic to bees.

    https://www.indianaenvironmentalrepo...-toxic-to-bees


    There is a good bit pro and con on the web, where I think the 'pro' side focuses on the fact it is less toxic than another class of insecticides used (neonicotinoids) and that the residue after 3 hours has a lower toxicity. The con side is simply that there still is not enough data to know what the long term effects are and we do have a bee population crisis.

    Those fighting for its use will focus on cash loses due to the inability to kill insects that destroy the crops and will emphasize that the restriction to crops not normally attractive to bees will limit their exposure to it.

    Source: (2) below

    The EPA said sulfoxaflor was less harmful than alternative pesticides and would require fewer applications, reducing the risk to wildlife and fish. As a precaution, the agency said it included pollinator protection language in the label directions. Sulfoxaflor, a member of the sulfoxamine class of insecticides, is used against piercing and sucking insects such as aphids, stink bugs, plant bugs, and thrips.

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    Those fighting against, again, will site the dwindling bee population and the product's high toxicity to bees that come into contact with it.

    Source: link above

    “At a time when honeybees and other pollinators are dying in greater numbers than ever before, Trump’s EPA decision to remove restrictions on yet another bee-killing pesticide is nothing short of reckless. Scientists have long said pesticides like sulfoxaflor are the cause of the unprecedented colony collapse. Letting sulfoxaflor back on the market is dangerous for our food system, economy, and the environment,” said Earthjustice attorney Greg Loarie."

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    and probably also an independent study in Nature in 2018 that show significant impact to the reproductive capability of bees exposed to it.

    other informational links pro and con:

    (1) https://inhabitat.com/epa-lifts-ban-...-to-honeybees/

    (2) https://www.agriculture.com/news/cro...impact-on-bees

    (3) https://www.epa.gov/ingredients-used...de-sulfoxaflor

    (4) https://qz.com/1554733/epa-allows-us...rmful-to-bees/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonhard View Post
    It wasn't Trump, it was the EPA rolling back a ban on sulfaxoflor, because it was found not to be as detrimental since it broke down quickly in the environment.

    https://www.epa.gov/ingredients-used...de-sulfoxaflor

    Source: EPA - Decision to Register New Uses for the Insecticide Sulfoxaflo

    EPA is registering new uses for the insecticide sulfoxaflor and restoring previously registered uses. This decision is backed by substantial data and ensures that when used according to the label, sulfoxaflor poses no significant risk to human health and lower risk to non-target wildlife, including pollinators, than registered alternatives. Sulfoxaflor is an effective tool for growers that has a lower environmental impact because it disappears from the environment faster than widely-used alternatives like neonicotinoids. Growers may have seen substantial losses (up to 50 percent for certain crops) due to pests that can now be treated with sulfoxaflor.

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    Demi spies with eye another 'happened under Obama too!!'

    "In 2016, EPA reevaluated the data and approved registrations for crops that do not attract bees and for crops where sulfoxaflor would be applied when bees would not be present."
    Trump is basically "Bruce Wayne pretending to be a foppish retarded billionaire" tier genius, in case nerds need a simpler metaphor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firstfloor View Post
    The destruction of US scientific leadership is staggering and economically idiotic. Policies like this make me wonder whether a foreign enemy has some leverage over POTUS.
    Policies like what?
    Every problem is the result of a previous solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    How about some links to support your claims JimL?
    Looks like he's been getting subliminal messages from Mother Jones.

    https://www.motherjones.com/food/201...e-theyre-down/
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