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  • Trump Stings The Bees!

    President Trump ends funding for the USDA research into honeybee decline. He then reversed an Obama administration rule barring the use of a pesticide known to be a major factor in the decline of honeybees. On top of that, he is basically closing up shop and dismissing the scientists who do this, and other research at the United States Department of Agriculture. He abruptly decided to move the USDA from Washington DC to Kansas City and gave the scientists working there 1 month to either uproot their lives, pack up and make their way to Kansas City, or lose their jobs. Most so far, I'm assuming just as Trump had planned, have decided to lose their jobs.

    Honeybees are extremely important, have been in decline, and are necessary for the pollination of much of the food we eat. Can any of you Trumpsters make any sense of this other than corporate pay back for their financial support for Trump, or the reversing of anything Obama?

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    The destruction of US scientific leadership is staggering and economically idiotic. Policies like this make me wonder whether a foreign enemy has some leverage over POTUS.
    “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
    “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
    “not all there” - you know who you are

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    • #3
      How about some links to support your claims JimL?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Sparko View Post
        How about some links to support your claims JimL?
        Please. We're lucky to get a readable OP.

        A fair chunk of the OP is hard to support at all, links or not. Trump personally did all that, while dealing with everything else a President does? I really doubt it.
        ...>>> Witty remark or snarky quote of another poster goes here <<<...

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Sparko View Post
          How about some links to support your claims JimL?
          He's just explaining the news.
          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
          Than a fool in the eyes of God


          From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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          • #6
            It wasn't Trump, it was the EPA rolling back a ban on sulfaxoflor, because it was found not to be as detrimental since it broke down quickly in the environment.

            https://www.epa.gov/ingredients-used...de-sulfoxaflor

            Source: EPA - Decision to Register New Uses for the Insecticide Sulfoxaflo

            EPA is registering new uses for the insecticide sulfoxaflor and restoring previously registered uses. This decision is backed by substantial data and ensures that when used according to the label, sulfoxaflor poses no significant risk to human health and lower risk to non-target wildlife, including pollinators, than registered alternatives. Sulfoxaflor is an effective tool for growers that has a lower environmental impact because it disappears from the environment faster than widely-used alternatives like neonicotinoids. Growers may have seen substantial losses (up to 50 percent for certain crops) due to pests that can now be treated with sulfoxaflor.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
              It wasn't Trump, it was the EPA rolling back a ban on sulfaxoflor, because it was found not to be as detrimental since it broke down quickly in the environment.

              https://www.epa.gov/ingredients-used...de-sulfoxaflor

              Source: EPA - Decision to Register New Uses for the Insecticide Sulfoxaflo

              EPA is registering new uses for the insecticide sulfoxaflor and restoring previously registered uses. This decision is backed by substantial data and ensures that when used according to the label, sulfoxaflor poses no significant risk to human health and lower risk to non-target wildlife, including pollinators, than registered alternatives. Sulfoxaflor is an effective tool for growers that has a lower environmental impact because it disappears from the environment faster than widely-used alternatives like neonicotinoids. Growers may have seen substantial losses (up to 50 percent for certain crops) due to pests that can now be treated with sulfoxaflor.

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              There is a bit more to the story than is covered in the EPA statements. First , the insecticide is highly toxic to bees in all stages of development, but the EPA hopes to reduce it impact on them by more extensive labeling and procedures that if followed could help limit exposure of the bees to it. Bee keepers tend to be against it, with Ohio beekeepers filing suit:

              Source: link below

              “EPA adjusted the pesticide label, reducing the bee-attractive crops on which the chemical could be applied. However, let’s be concise: the active ingredient, Sulfoxaflor, is toxic to chewing and sucking insects. Honey bees and other pollinators are chewing and sucking insects,” program director Michele Colopy told the Indiana Environmental Reporter in a statement. “With little to no data on the degradation of Sulfoxaflor, and no research of tank mixes with Sulfoxaflor, it remains a bee toxic pesticide contaminating bee forage through drift and residue. With the expansion of the use of Sulfoxaflor, EPA is ignoring the threats to essential agricultural and ecological pollination services, and to the very livelihood of beekeepers tasked with providing the managed honey bees to pollinate our crops.”

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              There is an other factor that is important especially in this administration - the parent company producing the insecticide donated $1 million to the Trump campaign. That and Trump's reduction of the capacity and effectiveness of the EPA mean that this reversal is suspicious, and it may be dangerous. Bee populations are on the decline and insecticides like these to seem to be at the heart of it. So it may well be a very short sighted decision, because it will be much harder to create the seed for the new crops if the honeybee population vanishes or is significantly reduced.

              The EPA rates the insecticide as highly toxic to bees.

              https://www.indianaenvironmentalrepo...-toxic-to-bees


              There is a good bit pro and con on the web, where I think the 'pro' side focuses on the fact it is less toxic than another class of insecticides used (neonicotinoids) and that the residue after 3 hours has a lower toxicity. The con side is simply that there still is not enough data to know what the long term effects are and we do have a bee population crisis.

              Those fighting for its use will focus on cash loses due to the inability to kill insects that destroy the crops and will emphasize that the restriction to crops not normally attractive to bees will limit their exposure to it.

              Source: (2) below

              The EPA said sulfoxaflor was less harmful than alternative pesticides and would require fewer applications, reducing the risk to wildlife and fish. As a precaution, the agency said it included pollinator protection language in the label directions. Sulfoxaflor, a member of the sulfoxamine class of insecticides, is used against piercing and sucking insects such as aphids, stink bugs, plant bugs, and thrips.

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              Those fighting against, again, will site the dwindling bee population and the product's high toxicity to bees that come into contact with it.

              Source: link above

              “At a time when honeybees and other pollinators are dying in greater numbers than ever before, Trump’s EPA decision to remove restrictions on yet another bee-killing pesticide is nothing short of reckless. Scientists have long said pesticides like sulfoxaflor are the cause of the unprecedented colony collapse. Letting sulfoxaflor back on the market is dangerous for our food system, economy, and the environment,” said Earthjustice attorney Greg Loarie."

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              and probably also an independent study in Nature in 2018 that show significant impact to the reproductive capability of bees exposed to it.

              other informational links pro and con:

              (1) https://inhabitat.com/epa-lifts-ban-...-to-honeybees/

              (2) https://www.agriculture.com/news/cro...impact-on-bees

              (3) https://www.epa.gov/ingredients-used...de-sulfoxaflor

              (4) https://qz.com/1554733/epa-allows-us...rmful-to-bees/

              Jim
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              If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

              This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
                It wasn't Trump, it was the EPA rolling back a ban on sulfaxoflor, because it was found not to be as detrimental since it broke down quickly in the environment.

                https://www.epa.gov/ingredients-used...de-sulfoxaflor

                Source: EPA - Decision to Register New Uses for the Insecticide Sulfoxaflo

                EPA is registering new uses for the insecticide sulfoxaflor and restoring previously registered uses. This decision is backed by substantial data and ensures that when used according to the label, sulfoxaflor poses no significant risk to human health and lower risk to non-target wildlife, including pollinators, than registered alternatives. Sulfoxaflor is an effective tool for growers that has a lower environmental impact because it disappears from the environment faster than widely-used alternatives like neonicotinoids. Growers may have seen substantial losses (up to 50 percent for certain crops) due to pests that can now be treated with sulfoxaflor.

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                Demi spies with eye another 'happened under Obama too!!'

                "In 2016, EPA reevaluated the data and approved registrations for crops that do not attract bees and for crops where sulfoxaflor would be applied when bees would not be present."
                Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
                  The destruction of US scientific leadership is staggering and economically idiotic. Policies like this make me wonder whether a foreign enemy has some leverage over POTUS.
                  Policies like what?
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                    How about some links to support your claims JimL?
                    Looks like he's been getting subliminal messages from Mother Jones.

                    https://www.motherjones.com/food/201...e-theyre-down/
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                      Looks like he's been getting subliminal messages from Mother Jones.

                      https://www.motherjones.com/food/201...e-theyre-down/
                      More like superliminal. Mother Jones is overtly biased. No subtlety whatsoever.
                      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                      Than a fool in the eyes of God


                      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                        Policies like what?
                        Policies like effectively shutting down the USDA. As I said in the OP, Trump decided without notice to move the USDA from Washington DC to Kansas City, giving the scientist's and others 1 month to either uproot themselves and their families, pack up and move to Kansas City or lose their jobs. Ya know, he doesn't want science to interfere with his plans, like rewarding his big Corporate donors.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by JimL View Post
                          Policies like effectively shutting down the USDA...
                          This is just foolish babbling from a Dumbster.... there is no such policy.
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by JimLamebrain View Post
                            Policies like effectively shutting down the USDA. As I said in the OP, Trump decided without notice to move the USDA from Washington DC to Kansas City, giving the scientist's and others 1 month to either uproot themselves and their families, pack up and move to Kansas City or lose their jobs. Ya know, he doesn't want science to interfere with his plans, like rewarding his big Corporate donors.
                            We need more of that. Diversifying the Federal government across all 50 states is a great idea. The DC swamp has festered long enough.
                            Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                            But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                            Than a fool in the eyes of God


                            From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                              We need more of that. Diversifying the Federal government across all 50 states is a great idea. The DC swamp has festered long enough.
                              Imagine the GALL of moving USDA from the DC SWAMP to FARM country!
                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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