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    Well, It'll Change Something

    Berkeley California bans natural gas in new construction.

    Seriously, is California actively trying to drive people out? Me personally, I prefer electric - I'm weird and I know it. (I'm also slow and disabled so there are advantages...). Home owners will just be annoyed - and try to find something that is grandfathered in if it matters that much. But restaurants won't have that luxury - when was the last time you saw an electric range on a restaurant show? Yeah, never.

    Does California - which is hemorrhaging people - even have enough new construction for this to matter to the atmosphere? I can't imagine Berkeley does. But hey, as long as we have our environmentally destructive smart phones, right?


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    I'm still not entirely sure where they're expecting all the electricity to come from. The way some liberals talk, they almost treat it as free energy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    I'm still not entirely sure where they're expecting all the electricity to come from. The way some liberals talk, they almost treat it as free energy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    I'm still not entirely sure where they're expecting all the electricity to come from. The way some liberals talk, they almost treat it as free energy.
    It's like some folks with electric cars. Little do they realize that the electricity that they use to charge their car more likely than not comes from a coal-powered power plant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    It's like some folks with electric cars. Little do they realize that the electricity that they use to charge their car more likely than not comes from a coal-powered power plant.
    Though its a hard calculation at any rate because depending on when the coal power plant is built its efficiency rating can be as high as 40%, compared to the 12% efficiency of a petrol engine. Then when you consider that coal pollutes more than petrol that swings the balance in the negative direction again, as well as the power losses from transmission and conversion.

    And you have to factor in the production of the battery.

    In a pure coal powered nation it means that the electric car is either on par, or slightly worse than a diesel car. Though in countries with a greener energy mix (with more nuclear power, gas, or solar and wind) the electric car is favorable to drive in.

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    As for the OP this law seems stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teallaura View Post
    Berkeley California bans natural gas in new construction.

    Seriously, is California actively trying to drive people out? Me personally, I prefer electric - I'm weird and I know it. (I'm also slow and disabled so there are advantages...). Home owners will just be annoyed - and try to find something that is grandfathered in if it matters that much. But restaurants won't have that luxury - when was the last time you saw an electric range on a restaurant show? Yeah, never.

    Does California - which is hemorrhaging people - even have enough new construction for this to matter to the atmosphere? I can't imagine Berkeley does. But hey, as long as we have our environmentally destructive smart phones, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonhard View Post
    Though its a hard calculation at any rate because depending on when the coal power plant is built its efficiency rating can be as high as 40%, compared to the 12% efficiency of a petrol engine. Then when you consider that coal pollutes more than petrol that swings the balance in the negative direction again, as well as the power losses from transmission and conversion.

    And you have to factor in the production of the battery.

    In a pure coal powered nation it means that the electric car is either on par, or slightly worse than a diesel car. Though in countries with a greener energy mix (with more nuclear power, gas, or solar and wind) the electric car is favorable to drive in.
    To be fair, over time, diesels lose efficiency. Er, what I don't know is how quickly that happens in electric cars. My used hybrid never got close to its original rating - but it was better than my Corolla had been.

    But the problem right now with electrics is they aren't competitive for anyone that has to drive a lot or long distances. And Tesla isn't helping anything with those low riding, easy to bust and expensive to replace wheels...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonhard View Post
    Though its a hard calculation at any rate because depending on when the coal power plant is built its efficiency rating can be as high as 40%, compared to the 12% efficiency of a petrol engine. Then when you consider that coal pollutes more than petrol that swings the balance in the negative direction again, as well as the power losses from transmission and conversion.

    And you have to factor in the production of the battery.

    In a pure coal powered nation it means that the electric car is either on par, or slightly worse than a diesel car. Though in countries with a greener energy mix (with more nuclear power, gas, or solar and wind) the electric car is favorable to drive in.
    The pollution thing is more difficult to decide than you make out. Coal creates nasty pollutants, however, so do petrol cars (particularly diesel). Localised air pollution from vehicles has been found to have a pretty negative health effect on people.

    US states differ significantly in terms of energy mix - with quite a few not using coal at all or having limited coal in the mix. In many states therefore, electric cars are much more efficient than petrol cars in terms of emissions while also significantly reducing the harm from toxic pollutants (fine particles, ozone, etc) on city dwellers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    It's like some folks with electric cars. Little do they realize that the electricity that they use to charge their car more likely than not comes from a coal-powered power plant.
    Before you shoot the source: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...our-state.html

    As Leonhard noted, as long as its not primarily from coal, then electric vehicles are more efficient. More likely than not, energy production for a state, is not primarily from coal.

    You like polluting the air other people breath with your gas guzzler?

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