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    Quote Originally Posted by RumTumTugger View Post
    This is Berkley we are talking about same city that now has a law that you can't refer to manhole covers as manhole covers I think it is something like maintenance tunnel covers they are to be refered to as. you can't refer to fraternities or sororities you have to refer to them as part of the Greek system etc...
    The idiots who come up with this stuff should be dropped down a manhole.
    Every problem is the result of a previous solution.

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    Natural gas is one of the cleanest burning fuels there is, pollution wise or causing global warming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Natural gas is one of the cleanest burning fuels there is, pollution wise or causing global warming.
    And if you live in a cold climate it is the best heating fuel.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Natural gas is one of the cleanest burning fuels there is, pollution wise or causing global warming.
    But there's still snow. How can there be global warming?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    Glad to see that things have changed.
    And Now, the Really Big Coal Plants Begin to Close

    When the Navajo Generating Station in Arizona shuts down later this year, it will be one of the largest carbon emitters to ever close in American history.

    The giant coal plant on Arizona’s high desert emitted almost 135 million metric tons of carbon dioxide between 2010 and 2017, according to an E&E News review of federal figures.

    Its average annual emissions over that period are roughly equivalent to what 3.3 million passenger cars would pump into the atmosphere in a single year. Of all the coal plants to be retired in the United States in recent years, none has emitted more.

    The Navajo Generating Station isn’t alone. It’s among a new wave of super-polluters headed for the scrap heap. Bruce Mansfield, a massive coal plant in Pennsylvania, emitted nearly 123 million tons between 2010 and 2017. It, too, will be retired by year’s end (Energywire, Aug. 12).

    And in western Kentucky, the Paradise plant emitted some 102 million tons of carbon over that period. The Tennessee Valley Authority closed two of Paradise’s three units in 2017. It will close the last one next year (Greenwire, Feb. 14).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juvenal View Post
    And Now, the Really Big Coal Plants Begin to Close

    When the Navajo Generating Station in Arizona shuts down later this year, it will be one of the largest carbon emitters to ever close in American history.

    The giant coal plant on Arizona’s high desert emitted almost 135 million metric tons of carbon dioxide between 2010 and 2017, according to an E&E News review of federal figures.

    Its average annual emissions over that period are roughly equivalent to what 3.3 million passenger cars would pump into the atmosphere in a single year. Of all the coal plants to be retired in the United States in recent years, none has emitted more.

    The Navajo Generating Station isn’t alone. It’s among a new wave of super-polluters headed for the scrap heap. Bruce Mansfield, a massive coal plant in Pennsylvania, emitted nearly 123 million tons between 2010 and 2017. It, too, will be retired by year’s end (Energywire, Aug. 12).

    And in western Kentucky, the Paradise plant emitted some 102 million tons of carbon over that period. The Tennessee Valley Authority closed two of Paradise’s three units in 2017. It will close the last one next year (Greenwire, Feb. 14).

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    What are they replacing it with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    The idiots who come up with this stuff should be dropped down a manhole.
    They're no longer manholes! They're maintenance access holes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faber View Post
    They're no longer manholes! They're maintenance access holes.
    Yes, those manholes called maintenance access holes!
    Every problem is the result of a previous solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    What are they replacing it with?
    I doubt my google-fu is any better than yours, but here's what searching turned up for me ...

    Changing demand – and supply

    Demand for power in Tennessee dropped nearly 6 percent during the 2007-2009 Great Recession, and – driven by continued “sluggish demand” from industry – is still 5 percent below its 2007 peak. Residential demand is up only 0.2 percent over the same period. Meanwhile fuel prices, driven by the fracking boom, have made natural gas competitive with coal plants.

    The report says future demand is hard to predict, but it’s unlikely to grow for at least a few years.

    TVA CEO Johnson said in August he expects decline in power use to be a permanent trend, driven by greater efficiency. That means TVA’s biggest and oldest generating facilities will be excess capacity, even as they grow more expensive to keep running. For the next 20 years the trend is toward smaller-scale and more flexible power sources, including solar and wind, Johnson said.

    “Coal and nuclear generators, the traditional sources of base load, are retiring and being replaced by renewable and natural gas generating capacity,” the report said.

    I'd imagine it's the same story in AZ and PA.

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