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  • #16
    Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
    As for the OP this law seems stupid.
    see my previous post that's not the stupidest law Berkley has enacted.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
      If they're plugin hybrids, and you recharge them at home? Sure. Otherwise they're worse than diesel cars.
      In what way?

      Jim
      My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

      If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

      This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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      • #18
        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
        It's like some folks with electric cars. Little do they realize that the electricity that they use to charge their car more likely than not comes from a coal-powered power plant.
        (Five minutes googling and half an hour writing it up later ...)

        This was true in 2001, assuming a random distribution of electric vehicle owners and non-coal power plants, but things have changed.

        postpowershare.jpg

        The Post (Updated March 28, 2017) had electricity from natural gas at 34/30 over coal, using 2016 preliminaries.
        There are 1,793 natural gas-powered electricity plants in the United States. They generated 34 percent of the nation's electricity last year. [...] There are 400 coal-powered electric plants in the United States. They generated 30 percent of the nation's electricity last year.

        Because of fracking, the game is over for coal based on raw economics, even before we look at external costs from excess CO2 generation. As fracking has made natural gas plants cheaper, they've been replacing coal plants. Natural gas plants are now well ahead on electric power generation.

        The U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) has them at 35/27 for 2018.

        outlet-graph-large.jpg

        What about EVs, and especially EVs in California.

        Looking at Electric Vehicle distribution:
        [Redacted for clarity]

        Average number of plug-in cars in U.S. is 2.21 per 1,000 residents. In total, eight states exceed 2 plug-in cars per 1,000 residents, compared to five a year earlier:

        Per 1000 residents:

        8.64 EVs - California
        5.12 EVs - Hawaii
        4.06 EVs - Washington
        3.84 EVs - Oregon
        3.73 EVs - Vermont
        2.33 EVs - Colorado
        2.29 EVs - Arizona
        2.03 EVs - Maryland

        Looking at electricity generation in CA:

        chart.jpg

        So here's what I'm seeing. Coal has joined the choir invisible in CA, with natural gas running behind hydro running behind non-hydro renewables. And if you see a random pic of an EV on a U.S. road, it could be from lots of places, but your best bet is California, with a sucker side bet that it's not powered from coal.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Juvenal View Post
          (Five minutes googling and half an hour writing it up later ...)

          This was true in 2001, assuming a random distribution of electric vehicle owners and non-coal power plants, but things have changed.

          [ATTACH=CONFIG]38469[/ATTACH]

          The Post (Updated March 28, 2017) had electricity from natural gas at 34/30 over coal, using 2016 preliminaries.
          There are 1,793 natural gas-powered electricity plants in the United States. They generated 34 percent of the nation's electricity last year. [...] There are 400 coal-powered electric plants in the United States. They generated 30 percent of the nation's electricity last year.

          Because of fracking, the game is over for coal based on raw economics, even before we look at external costs from excess CO2 generation. As fracking has made natural gas plants cheaper, they've been replacing coal plants. Natural gas plants are now well ahead on electric power generation.

          The U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) has them at 35/27 for 2018.

          [ATTACH=CONFIG]38471[/ATTACH]

          What about EVs, and especially EVs in California.

          Looking at Electric Vehicle distribution:
          [Redacted for clarity]

          Average number of plug-in cars in U.S. is 2.21 per 1,000 residents. In total, eight states exceed 2 plug-in cars per 1,000 residents, compared to five a year earlier:

          Per 1000 residents:

          8.64 EVs - California
          5.12 EVs - Hawaii
          4.06 EVs - Washington
          3.84 EVs - Oregon
          3.73 EVs - Vermont
          2.33 EVs - Colorado
          2.29 EVs - Arizona
          2.03 EVs - Maryland

          Looking at electricity generation in CA:

          [ATTACH=CONFIG]38470[/ATTACH]

          So here's what I'm seeing. Coal has joined the choir invisible in CA, with natural gas running behind hydro running behind non-hydro renewables. And if you see a random pic of an EV on a U.S. road, it could be from lots of places, but your best bet is California, with a sucker side bet that it's not powered from coal.
          Glad to see that things have changed.

          I'm always still in trouble again

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
            I'm still not entirely sure where they're expecting all the electricity to come from. The way some liberals talk, they almost treat it as free energy.
            Natural gas can generate electricity!
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by RumTumTugger View Post
              This is Berkley we are talking about same city that now has a law that you can't refer to manhole covers as manhole covers I think it is something like maintenance tunnel covers they are to be refered to as. you can't refer to fraternities or sororities you have to refer to them as part of the Greek system etc...
              The idiots who come up with this stuff should be dropped down a manhole.
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • #22
                Natural gas is one of the cleanest burning fuels there is, pollution wise or causing global warming.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                  Natural gas is one of the cleanest burning fuels there is, pollution wise or causing global warming.
                  And if you live in a cold climate it is the best heating fuel.


                  Securely anchored to the Rock amid every storm of trial, testing or tribulation.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                    Natural gas is one of the cleanest burning fuels there is, pollution wise or causing global warming.
                    But there's still snow. How can there be global warming?

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                      Glad to see that things have changed.
                      And Now, the Really Big Coal Plants Begin to Close

                      navajocoal.jpg

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Juvenal View Post
                        What are they replacing it with?

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                          The idiots who come up with this stuff should be dropped down a manhole.
                          They're no longer manholes! They're maintenance access holes.
                          When I Survey....

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Faber View Post
                            They're no longer manholes! They're maintenance access holes.
                            Yes, those manholes called maintenance access holes!
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                              What are they replacing it with?
                              I doubt my google-fu is any better than yours, but here's what searching turned up for me ...



                              I'd imagine it's the same story in AZ and PA.

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