Bernie the Hypocrite

[Mountain Man]

Fresh out of high school, I worked for a company in the telecommunications business that was "family owned". There was a union that was constantly trying to push the employees to vote to "go union". The owner of the company got tired of this, and called for a company-wide meeting to address the situation. He had everybody meet at a local high school auditorium after lunch on a Friday, and he gave an interesting speech. He said that he knew that there were efforts to unionize, so he said, "let me list some of the benefits you enjoy that few other businesses provide...." and he listed some interesting benefits, like "flex time" way before it was popular, and competitive pay, and unparalleled Blue Cross Blue Shield insurance with ZERO cost to families, etc etc etc.....

Then he said, "we're going to vote today -- but let me be very clear. I believe I have provided a work environment far superior to what a union would be able to provide, but you have a choice. You can decide, today, that you wish to proceed with the process of unionizing, in which case, at my age, I really don't need the hassle and aggravation, so I will simply shut down the company and enjoy my retirement." I'll never forget, he repeated that again, slowly and deliberately, to let everybody know he was dead serious. Then he said, "I invited the union officials to whom some of you have been talking, and they're right down here in front - so here's how we vote -- if you're happy with the way things are, you may leave now and enjoy the rest of your Friday afternoon at home -- if, however, you prefer to continue the attempt to unionize, come down here and meet with these union officials".

The vast majority of people left the building, and I didn't stay to see who, if anybody, stayed to talk to the union reps.

That's a heartwarming story.

[carpedm9587]

I don't want a socialist nutjob to win --- if that means Trump gets another 4 years, we shall see.

Well - Biden currently leads the pack - and is hardly a "socialist nutjob." But I have to admit I strongly suspect it won't matter who takes the Democratic primary - you'll be voting for Trump again.

Who was comparable to "the Squad"?

Trump. He as a candidate, not a member of Congress, but he basically did the same thing. He took on the entire GOP, whipped up his "base" (as he's doing again now), and forced everyone to choose him or the current leadership. As I recall, Ryan - several times - withheld or withdrew support as Trump did one outrageous thing after another.

I hear a group of women shouting "ME", "ME", "no, ME!!!!"..... and making idiotic claims and jackass proposals.

Then you might not be listening very closely. Put away Fox and Brietbart, and listen to what they are actually saying - their own words - their own mouths - perhaps with a bit of an open mind?

[Cow Poke]

Well - Biden currently leads the pack - and is hardly a "socialist nutjob."

I doubt Biden will be able to maintain any lead. He's an old white guy who's not nearly as progressive as the loudest voices in the Democratic Party want, and he has too much "not liberal enough" baggage.

But I have to admit I strongly suspect it won't matter who takes the Democratic primary - you'll be voting for Trump again.

Unless somebody who actually has a chance of winning (and isn't a leftist nutjob) appears, it will probably be another protest vote.

Trump. He as a candidate, not a member of Congress, but he basically did the same thing. He took on the entire GOP, whipped up his "base" (as he's doing again now), and forced everyone to choose him or the current leadership. As I recall, Ryan - several times - withheld or withdrew support as Trump did one outrageous thing after another.

Trump is definitely "out there" in my book, but he followed through on my two main goals --- Hillary isn't POTUS and SCOTUS isn't Hillary's. I can endure another 4 years of Trump if that's what it takes.

Then you might not be listening very closely. Put away Fox and Brietbart,

Ya know, I really get tired of this sanctimonious CRAP from you --- I rarely watch Fox, and I don't follow Breitbart at all. You complain about people reading your mind, then you turn right around and do it yourself.

and listen to what they are actually saying - their own words - their own mouths -

How much BETTER could I " listen to what they are actually saying - their own words - their own mouths " than by watching the videos of them actually SAYING it.

perhaps with a bit of an open mind?

More sanctimonious CRAP -- if my view is not the same as yours, then I don't have an open mind?

You can have the last word on this*!



*in a phony Carpeish kinda way

[Mountain Man]

As I recall, Ryan - several times - withheld or withdrew support as Trump did one outrageous thing after another.

Who cares. Ryan was as desperate to maintain the status quo as his predecessor.

[carpedm9587]

I doubt Biden will be able to maintain any lead. He's an old white guy who's not nearly as progressive as the loudest voices in the Democratic Party want, and he has too much "not liberal enough" baggage.

Well... it'll be interesting to see. I'd be OK with any of the four current front-runners. I'm iffiest about Harris.

Unless somebody who actually has a chance of winning (and isn't a leftist nutjob) appears, it will probably be another protest vote.

It would only have taken about 70,000 people in 2016 to turn that tide... just sayin'

Trump is definitely "out there" in my book, but he followed through on my two main goals --- Hillary isn't POTUS and SCOTUS isn't Hillary's. I can endure another 4 years of Trump if that's what it takes.

I can't.

Ya know, I really get tired of this sanctimonious CRAP from you --- I rarely watch Fox, and I don't follow Breitbart at all. You complain about people reading your mind, then you turn right around and do it yourself.

You're right that the Fox/Brietbart comments were "mind reading," and I'm glad to hear you don't use those as sources. Consider my incorrect impression corrected.

The difference, CP, is when someone says, "you got that wrong" and tells me I am "mind reading," I'll tend to say, "you're right, and thanks for correcting the misconception on my part." Most of the time, when someone mind reads me and I offer a correction, they just double down and insist they know my mind better than I.

How much BETTER could I " listen to what they are actually saying - their own words - their own mouths " than by watching the videos of them actually SAYING it.

Then I have no idea what your accusation means. I listen to the same women and don't see "me, me, no me."

More sanctimonious CRAP -- if my view is not the same as yours, then I don't have an open mind?

No - the lack of "open mind" I find reflected in your engagement in the conservative echo chamber so many of these threads turn into, and immediate rejection of pretty much anything that doesn't align with those views with the usual memes. I find, when I'm talking to someone with an open mind, they are presenting original thinking and introspection - not just the usual platitudes. If you find that sanctimonious - so be it...

You can have the last word on this*!

*in a phony Carpeish kinda way

[Cow Poke]

No - the lack of "open mind" I find reflected in your engagement in the conservative echo chamber...

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