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Originally posted by Zara View PostRight, so the plan is clearly moronic - since if they are being persecuted in their home country it is not a safe place to be or ask for asylum."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostYou DO know what an embassy is, right?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Zara View PostI'm glad we have the definition rather than your spin.
Right, temporary protection from someone standing in front of it with a net. Again, it seems like a good way to round people up - or make it impractical for people to ask for asylum in the US. Some of whom are genuine refugees seeking to escape persecution."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostMM already covered this - but no, this isn't the basis for asylum. Now, as for refugee status - no, still not there.
Also, the persecution doesn't have to come from governments it seems. Gangs too, if they don't like your political opinion, for instance, and act to harm you, that too is sufficient.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostOr Consulates. Embassies (one each) tend to be in capital cities of countries, whereas Consulates (sometimes multiple per country) are located in tourist areas of those countries.
Some really horrible things happen to people in some of these countries. Are you so hard-hearted to not be able to understand the horror of life as an innocent that falls into a category of persecution in an unstable country?
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostOkay, so you DON'T know what an embassy is...Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Zara View PostMy beef is the belief that the first safe place to apply is IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY. That is, moronic, by definition almost. The second issue is whether an embassy is actually able to provide these services, they certainly cannot protect people for any length of time - particularly if the person faces persecution if they are sent back to their country (i.e., outside the embassy). My third concern is whether the third countries that absorb these people are sufficiently safe / able to support people to actually wait out the process - which can last months to years. Many countries in the region already hold significant numbers of refugees from the region, this is troubling for the long-term stability of the region.
So again what is your problem with the UN and U.S laws hmm?Last edited by RumTumTugger; 07-28-2019, 05:21 PM.
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Originally posted by RumTumTugger View Postdo you know how to read Zara, Guatemala is not the home country it is the country those fleeing from their HOME countries start their trek to the U.S. So tell me what is your problem with htem applying in a country that is not htier home country but has an agreement with the U.S to provide a safe place for so called refugees to stay while being their application is being looked at.
If you read the rest of my comment, since I even says what one of my problems with that could be. I.e., that 'agreement to provide a safe place' may not be worth the paper it is printed on, if it's not actually a safe place. Tell me, do you think Guatamala is a safe place? 'According to New Yorker magazine, in 2009, fewer civilians were reported killed in the war zone of Iraq than were shot, stabbed, or beaten to death in Guatemala, and 97% of homicides "remain unsolved."'Last edited by Zara; 07-28-2019, 04:31 PM.
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Originally posted by Zara View PostI'm not sure that you have any idea what it feels like to be hunted by people that want to kill or torture you for your political opinions or beliefs. Do you seriously think that, if you're being hunted, you're going to go to a consulate, fill in a form, then head home for dinner?
Some really horrible things happen to people in some of these countries. Are you so hard-hearted to not be able to understand the horror of life as an innocent that falls into a category of persecution in an unstable country?
You might try dialing down the drama and sanctimony just a tad.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWow, Zara -- get a grip! I simply posted some information about Embassies and Consulates. Are you so cold-hearted that you lash out at people who simply provide information?
You might try dialing down the drama and sanctimony just a tad.Last edited by Zara; 07-28-2019, 04:42 PM.
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Originally posted by Zara View PostSorry, it was more aimed at the general air of 'there is actually no problem', when there clearly is one. Since the rational argument appears to be falling on hard-hearts, I took a more direct approach.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Zara View PostHuh? Yeah, my character is to assume people don't understand what it's like to be persecuted. Since, people in this thread appear to not understand what it's actually like, to be persecuted.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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