Supreme Court: The Wall Can Go Foward...

[Starlight]

"I just happened to notice this post...."

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[demi-conservative]

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Big news is that Zara is Starlight, also demi is Darth. Cos we all start posting (again) at same time. So demi, also Darth is Starlight too, also Sam.

[demi-conservative]

Big news is that Zara is Starlight, also demi is Darth. Cos we all start posting (again) at same time. So demi, also Darth is Starlight too, also Sam.

demi very very surprised, did not expect Starlight start puppet, post even dumber but sure-he's right posts, also even tone-deafer bashing of US of A.

[JimL]

Immigration reform? Obama tried that. in 2008! he had 8 years to make it work. And here we are. It didn't work.

No, he didn't. That's up to Congress to come up with a reform bill which they've been talking about for years, but never do anything. And again, if they are so concerned about immigrants, why don't they just enforce the law making it illegal to hire undocumented workers. That's why they are coming here, to work. If they can't get work, then for "economic migrants" there is no point in coming.

[Sparko]

You don't have to, it's not like the US literally can't cope with the numbers. But if you choose to accept less total immigrants, that is fine, I think it's totally within a country's right to choose how many are accepted.

no we literally can't handle the numbers. That is why we have people crammed into cages with no room to lay down. And the local economies can't handle that many immigrants who have no jobs coming in and becoming an immediate drain on resources.

A core problem I see with that is that as I understand it there are multiple countries in South America currently where violence is extreme, and a lot of the drug cartels operate cross-border. What is a person supposed to do if its not merely their own country but those around them that are violent, and if those who are targeting them operate in all the countries they're 'allowed' to seek asylum in?

And what of the people who don't leave? They are in just as much danger. Do you think we can take the entire population of central America in? What makes you think drug cartels are personally seeking out these civilians so that they would pursue them across a border? Why would some drug lord give a crap about a poor family who is just trying to get by? You seem to think these countries are some war zone. They aren't. People vacation in many of them. Costa Rica is a pretty nice place, as is Belize, and even Mexico. These people are moving because they believe they can get rich in the USA. They think it is the land of Milk and Honey. But when they get here, they end up living in as bad or worse poverty than in their home countries because they have no jobs or skills or papers to get jobs if they sneak in illegally. If they get asylum, they still don't have any jobs. Most of them, if they do get work, have to work on farms.

And one of the things Trump is working on is allowing them to have work visas if they apply in country, so they can come to the USA - work on farms or whatever, then go back home. I think that is a good solution too.

But the general idea of working with central american countries to try and create a more organized process in the region about asylum and reduce the number of asylum seekers turning up on the US's doorstep is just common sense. Unfortunately Trump will presumably bungle it like he has everything else in his life and presidency.

I guess we will see.

Who is the 'them' here? Mexico does not generically offer unlimited amounts of asylum to every single refugee that crosses it. Maybe you're confusing a specific group and specific offer with standard practice?

To anyone in the Caravan that came up last year.

Mexico has offered temporary work permits to migrants who register for asylum, as a big caravan of Central American migrants makes its way through the country toward the US.

The plan also envisages temporary ID cards, medical care and schooling.

But to qualify, migrants must remain in Mexico's southern Chiapas and Oaxaca states.

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Most migrants said they had no intention of abandoning their plans to head to the US.

"The majority plan to cross the border. And that's my intention, too," José Santos, from Honduras, told the BBC.

"Because, yes, while life here is calmer than at home, it's still not like the US where it would get better. That's the goal: to have a better life."

Meanwhile, Anna Lisset Velázquez, also from Honduras, told the BBC: "It's a kind offer - but it's not the plan that we have, to stay here halfway up."
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-45999610

[Sparko]

Getting a bit emotional there - look at all that bold. Keep it rational now. An entitled woman that lives in one of the richest country in the world - first world splaining it like the world's refugees like life is a Disney film.

For the example I gave, your position is laughable. I suspect that in most instances, it is laughable, given the definition of 'flee' and 'well-founded fear' in that of asylee and refugee. So by defintion, you are wrong. But hey, let's consider an example - you really think the Rohingya should of just stuck around, waited it out? Or people under threat of persecution should just wait and see what happens to them? Your reaching an embassy story, again, bonkers. What are they going to do there, just chill in the lobby for the next year while their application is held up by an administration of dubious intent? Pull the other one it has got bells on.

Asylum seekers, that are being persecuted for and that meet the necessary and sufficient conditions, need to have the possibility of exit to a safe third country where they can apply for asylum. You don't like that. Because they are coming to the US and taking all of your cake?

While you continue to kick down to the poor and downtrodden - you're being robbed blind by the rich. But hey, who cares, right?

Who the heck are the Rohingya and what do they have to do with the Central American immigrants?

[Sparko]

demi very very surprised, did not expect Starlight start puppet, post even dumber but sure-he's right posts, also even tone-deafer bashing of US of A.

You need to cut back on the fake Russian accent thing, your posts are becoming nearly incomprehensible. Use some damn verbs, determiners and pronouns for crying out loud.