Supreme Court: The Wall Can Go Foward...

[seer]

I guess innocent children in cages among quite many others would tell a different story about those ideals.

Are you just stupid Charles? First, Obama built those cages and used them, second they are temporary holding facilities.

[rogue06]

Let me make my question more personal.

Suppose you are sitting at home with your family watching television and your door bell rings.

When you answer it you find 100 people outside who rush into your home. You don't know who they are or whether they mean you and your family harm and most do not speak English; some seem ill, some seem to be on drugs. They ask you for jobs and medical care and that you provide them an education and food.

What would you do to protect yourself and your family?

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[rogue06]

When the pope says: "...those who build walls end up being prisoners of the walls they build." he is most likely not talking about the fact that it will stop you from going anywhere physically. He is probably talking about people getting too concerned with their own borders, their own countries, their own culture and whatever to the extent where it makes them compromise their true values, moreal ideas and ideals. I guess we all know the feeling of being too concerned about our own stuff to the extent where it is no longer freeing us but making us prisoners?

I've always found the pope's criticism of building a wall a bit hypocritical considering that he lives behind some pretty formidable ones.

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Part of the wall around the Vatican

To paraphrase Reagan here: "Pope Francis, tear down your walls."

[rogue06]

I guess innocent children in cages among quite many others would tell a different story about those ideals.

You do realize that they are free to leave any time they choose, right?

[Jim B.]

It doesn't matter Jim, this opens the door for more funds to be diverted to the border - which is a national security problem as far I'm concerned.

Except it's not what he promised. Promises made, promises broken.

[Charles]

I've always found the pope's criticism of building a wall a bit hypocritical considering that he lives behind some pretty formidable ones.

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Part of the wall around the Vatican

To paraphrase Reagan here: "Pope Francis, tear down your walls."

I had a feeling this would be exactly what you would point to since it appears you believe a statement is relative to who says it. If you don't believe so it is quite hard to see your point.

[Charles]

Are you just stupid Charles? First, Obama built those cages and used them, second they are temporary holding facilities.

So you are seriously suggesting that it makes a difference whether Obama built them or not? What difference would that make, seer?

And you do realise that something can be completely wrong even if it is temporary?

I wonder what kind of moral standards you hold on to since your own statement seemingly makes sense to you.

[seer]

Except it's not what he promised. Promises made, promises broken.

Well like most candidates he found there were things he couldn't actually do when he got into office. And I could list the promises he did keep.

[seer]

So you are seriously suggesting that it makes a difference whether Obama built them or not? What difference would that make, seer?

And you do realise that something can be completely wrong even if it is temporary?

I wonder what kind of moral standards you hold on to since your own statement seemingly makes sense to you.

Then let's just send them all home the second they step foot in this country. Problem solved.

[Teallaura]

So you are seriously suggesting that it makes a difference whether Obama built them or not? What difference would that make, seer?

And you do realise that something can be completely wrong even if it is temporary?

I wonder what kind of moral standards you hold on to since your own statement seemingly makes sense to you.

The timing of your criticism seems significantly linked to this, yes.

[Teallaura]

Except it's not what he promised. Promises made, promises broken.

Yeah, he's fighting for the funding and has contracts already in place - not exactly a broken promise.

[Charles]

Then let's just send them all home the second they step foot in this country. Problem solved.

So you admit I was right that your points were wrong? And how would sending them home straight away solve the problem if the problem is that those in need of help are not taken care of?

[Charles]

Yeah, he's fighting for the funding and has contracts already in place - not exactly a broken promise.

So, Mexico is paying?

[seer]

So you admit I was right that your points were wrong? And how would sending them home straight away solve the problem if the problem is that those in need of help are not taken care of?

Charles you are never right. And we can not, nor should we, take the whole third world in. We have our own poor - they should be our priority.

[rogue06]

Well like most candidates he found there were things he couldn't actually do when he got into office. And I could list the promises he did keep.

I guess he could be like the previous occupant who openly admitted that he didn't have the legal authority to do something and then turn around and do it anyway.