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Originally posted by JimL View PostRight, I got that, but rogue wasn't being humorous, at least not intentionally so.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNo, she said that republicans were hated in the south and that no one would call themselves a republican for fear of being shot, or something to that effect.
Now I can see why you didn't quote her. It wouldn't support your claim. Not even close to it. So you concocted your own twisted version of it instead. Naughty boy.Originally posted by Teallaura View PostReconstruction was over, that's true - but Southerners HADN'T forgotten - and the hatred of the Republicans ran so deep that it continued until the Civil Rights movement was over.
I was THERE.
Originally posted by JimL View PostSo no, it wasn't a sudden rise, it was a slow and steady rise until the 1960's and the civil rights movement, school desegragation, The CRA, the VRA, Martin Luther King etc etc.
Don't you have what it takes to counter what she says? Is this why you keep fabricating straw man arguments to battle with?
Originally posted by JimL View PostThe vast majority of who went back to the Democrat fold from where?Since you are revealing an ability at reading comprehension akin to someone in a coma I highlighted the pertinent part for you. The Dixiecrats came from the Democrats not Republicans (note they aren't called Dixiecans) and returned to the Democrats -- including the very few like Thurmond who would later switch parties.Originally posted by JimL View PostThe Dixiecrats couldn't be considered democrats since they split from the democrats and their nominee (Truman) and nominated their own Presidential candidate (Strom Thurmond). And btw, though the Dixiecrats and Strom Thurmond lost the election
Originally posted by JimL View PostWhat is this, revisionist history, or is that what they teach you down south? The Dixiecrats revolted from the Dem. Party in 1948 because of the Democrats civil rights platform under Truman, and very few republicans voted for the CRA or the VRA passed by democrats in 1964 and 65.
Now, in the real world, it was the Democrats that led the record 74 day long Senate filibuster in opposition to the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Included among the organizers of the filibuster were several prominent and well-known Democrat standard-bearers including Robert Byrd (Senate Majority Leader, President pro tempore of the Senate[1] and former kleagle -- recruiter -- for the KKK who was still publicly using the n-word on national TV as late as 2001), J. William Fulbright (Arkansas Senator and mentor of Bill Clinton), Al Gore Sr. (Tennessee Senator and father of Al Gore Jr. who has been known to lie about his father’s vote[2]), Sam Ervin (North Carolina Senator of the Watergate hearings fame) and Richard Russell (Georgia Senator and another President pro tempore). A total of 21 Democrat Senators opposed the Civil Rights Act. The party was torn in half over the issue, with a full 40% of House Democrats voting against it.
OTOH, the Republicans backed the Civil Rights legislation. For example, 82% of Republicans in the Senate and 79% in the House voted for the Civil Rights Act. The no vote in both Houses consisted of 74% Democrats. Similar trends occurred with the Voting Rights Act of 1965, which was supported by 82% of the Republicans in the House, and by 94% of Senate Republicans.
Concerning the Voting Rights Act the same Democrat standard-bearers took their normal racist stands, this time with Senator Fulbright leading the opposition effort. It took the hard work of Senate Minority Leader Everett Dirksen and Republican Whip Thomas Kuchel to pass the Civil Rights Act (the former was presented a civil rights accomplishment award for the year by the NAACP in recognition of his efforts). Dirksen was also responsible for breaking the Democrat filibuster of the 1957 Civil Rights Act that was signed by Republican President Dwight Eisenhower. The fact is that if it weren’t for the Republican’s overwhelming support, all of these measures would have been defeated.
In fact, FWIU, of the 26 major civil rights votes from 1933 through the 1960’s civil rights era shows that Republicans favored civil rights in approximately 96% of the votes (whereas the Democrats opposed them in 80% of the votes).
Did you really think that you were going to bluff your way through this?
1. Third in the line of succession to the presidency behind the Vice President and Speaker of the House
2. In a speech on civil rights Al Gore claimed that,
"My commitment to civil rights is a deeply personal one. I watched my father when he was, a U.S. Senator from Tennessee, take courageous stands for civil rights. He opposed the poll tax in the ‘40s, and supported civil rights in the ‘50s, he supported voting rights in 1963, and was one of two Southern Senators to refuse to sign the hateful Southern Manifesto opposing integration in our schools. He lost his Senate seat because his [sic] stands.”
Apparently, Al Gore’s memory is a bit fuzzy. His father’s civil rights record is a tad less glorious than Al relates. For example, Al Gore Sr. voted AGAINST the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Al Gore Sr. participated in a 74-day filibuster to delay and weaken the legislation. Al Gore Sr. proposed an amendment to the Civil Rights Act that would have kept federal funds flowing to schools that defied court desegregation orders. The measure was defeated by a vote of 74 to 25 with only one Republican voted for it.Last edited by rogue06; 08-20-2019, 06:10 AM.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostRight, I got that, but rogue wasn't being humorous, at least not intentionally so.Last edited by rogue06; 08-20-2019, 05:23 AM.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
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Originally posted by JimL View PostWhich leaves the ultimate reason being that the south wanted to maintain the slave industry.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostWhich leaves the ultimate reason being that the south wanted to maintain the slave industry.That's what
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostMaybe the rich plantation owners, but most of the foot soldiers just wanted to keep their possessions. I HIGHLY recommend you watch Free State of Jones.
Multiple Southern states had counties secede from them - most of Northern Alabama considered it since none of them really grew cotton or had slaves. Winston County actually seceded.
So Davis argued states rights and Lincoln argued preserving the Union - until the fighting really started and winning became do or die."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by JimL View PostAnd who was threatening to take away their possessions?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostAnd who was threatening to take away their possessions?
Northern armies requisitioned houses and everything else. They burned what they couldn't take.
But that was war. Everyone knew what happened when wars were fought.
Reconstruction was a 10 year occupation - and it wasn't much better than the war itself.
You've never read To Kill a Mockingbird or seen Gone with the Wind, have you?"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostThe North - which they did. Armies of the period still provisioned off the land - a euphemism for stealing food...The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostYou've never read To Kill a Mockingbird or seen Gone with the Wind, have you?
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostHave they made cartoon versions?
To Kill a Mockingbird
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