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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    The dispute isn't so much about whether or not CO2 levels are rising but over what kind of impact it's having on global temperatures, and according to the best data available, the answer seems to lie somewhere between "Very little" and "None at all".
    It's the Lawnmower Effect. Too much CO2 causes my lawn to grow faster, which causes me to have to cut it more often, which puts out more CO2 from me and the mower, which causes my lawn to grow faster...

    This needs to stop before I have to cut my grass twice a day!

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    you first cat lady!

    I wasn't actually referring to you personally, dogbreath.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    It's the Lawnmower Effect. Too much CO2 causes my lawn to grow faster, which causes me to have to cut it more often, which puts out more CO2 from me and the mower, which causes my lawn to grow faster...

    This needs to stop before I have to cut my grass twice a day!
    For years I've been wanting to popularize what I call "The Ultimate Green Yard": No mowing; no trimming; no fertilizer; no weed killer; just let things grow unimpeded as nature intended.

    Who's with me!
    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God


    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Reading his link, they actually use that same chart you just posted to make their point. I am guessing you didn't bother to even read it?
    I read it, but it is scientifically barren. A few additional facts:

    One of the worst extinctions in the planet's history is clearly correlated with CO2 rise

    https://skepticalscience.com/Burgess...aps-Dates.html


    As for the 30's through the 60's - there are in fact known climate cycles. Further, as of 1930 the CO2 level, while increasing, was only rising at about 25ppm per 40 years. Since 1980 that rise has been closer to 25ppm every 10 years - or 4x as fast. That uptick changes things - specifically it changes whether the signal from CO2 induced warming is significantly stronger than the signal from normal cyclical climate variation.


    Wattsup and anti-AGW folks are good at cherry picking, but long on a complete analysis of all the data. Going through the article and picking apart each element that is wrong or distorted (usually just leaving out other data that invalidates the conclusion) is not something I have time to do right now. But the bottom line is - it's just wrong.

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    Last edited by oxmixmudd; 08-19-2019 at 11:22 AM.
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    "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets"

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    Quote Originally Posted by mossrose View Post
    Am I mistaken in the belief that every human being and animal on the planet expels CO2 each time they exhale?

    And that plants use the CO2 and release oxygen?

    So, isn't CO2 actually good to have, because otherwise all the plants would die and then so would we?

    Are we to eliminate human life and animal life to stop the horrendous outflow of this deadly gas, and then allow the plants to also die, so that the planet might be saved?

    I don't understand fanatic environmentalists. They seem plain stupid. And they ignore basic science.
    You definitely need some CO2. Too little CO2 and we can end up with a very cold place to live - and there is evidence that has happened in the past. But there is a balance. We make CO2, plants make O2. We cut down giant forests and belch lots more CO2 than can be absorbed and the balance changes. right now CO2 levels are rising very quickly, about 25ppm per decade.

    CO2 is also a greenhouse gas. So as it's concentration increases in the atmosphere, the amount of heat trapped by the atmosphere goes up as well. This is basic physics. So the only possible debate is can the amount of increase in CO2 account for the amount of measured increase in temperature. The overwhelming majority of scientists on the planet with expertise in climate answer that question 'yes, it can'.

    In creased temperatures melt ice caps and glaciers and permafrost. Melting Ice caps and glaciers and permafrost put more CO2 into that atmosphere, along with even more powerful GH hasses like methane, and they reduce the amount of heat that gets reflected back into space. These are called feebacks. But rising CO2 is the 'forcing'.

    Melting glaciers and Ice caps raise sea levels. Rising sea levels and reduced ice impact coastal regions (where a lot of humanity lives) and arctic life the most. But a warming atmosphere also means warming seas. And warming seas mean more powerful tropical storms and negative impacts on sea life.

    https://www.climate.gov/news-feature...obal-sea-level

    Rising CO2 also increases the carbonic acid in the sea itself. Acidifcation of the seas kills sea life, like coral reefs. Coral reefs hold a substantial position in the food chain. So dying coral reefs impact the overall food chain in the sea.

    https://ocean.si.edu/ocean-life/inve...-acidification

    Is all the change bad? Not necessarily. But a lot of it is.


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    Last edited by oxmixmudd; 08-19-2019 at 11:21 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    For years I've been wanting to popularize what I call "The Ultimate Green Yard": No mowing; no trimming; no fertilizer; no weed killer; just let things grow unimpeded as nature intended.

    Who's with me!
    There is an actual anti-mowing movement growing in the US. I can't remember what it's officially called, but the idea (if I recall correctly) is that the concept of a "lawn" comes from poor people in the 19th century attempting to emulate the gorgeously trimmed estates of the bourgeois wealthy. In order to move away from that, this new eco-movement is concerned about a number of things including the use (or overuse) of water, poisons, fuel, and money to make lawns look maintained, and for the preservation of bees and butterflies, and the like. Instead, they suggest either growing wild flowers, or landscaping with rocks and flower or vegetable gardens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrift View Post
    There is an actual anti-mowing movement growing in the US. I can't remember what it's officially called, but the idea (if I recall correctly) is that the concept of a "lawn" comes from poor people in the 19th century attempting to emulate the gorgeously trimmed estates of the bourgeois wealthy. In order to move away from that, this new eco-movement is concerned about a number of things including the use (or overuse) of water, poisons, fuel, and money to make lawns look maintained, and for the preservation of bees and butterflies, and the like. Instead, they suggest either growing wild flowers, or landscaping with rocks and flower or vegetable gardens.
    Hey anything to stop having to mow the lawn!

    Can't they bioengineer some grass that prevents weeds and only grows 2 inches tall? Come on people! This is the 21st Century! Let's see some science here!

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    Here in Georgia a lot of yards have "pine islands." We just put a bunch of pine straw around tree clusters making it so there is a lot less area to mow. One place I lived was on a quarter acre lot and when I got bored I counted the number of trees on the property. It was somewhere around 140 to 160.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Hey anything to stop having to mow the lawn!
    Buy some goats. If your zoning board or HOA complains claim they self-identify as dogs and call them bigots.

    I'm always still in trouble again

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    Quote Originally Posted by mossrose View Post
    I wasn't actually referring to you personally, dogbreath.

    Speaking of dog breath - my dog likes eating the cat's poop, I haven't done that - YET!
    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

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