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  • #16
    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    Elizabeth Warren and some of the others are so clueless it is funny. They seem to listen to the very vocal far left and the MSM parrots and think that their entire base thinks that way. I still think MOST democrats are way more moderate than that. They just aren't as vocal about it, and it isn't as "exciting" to report on by the MSM.

    But you know those tracker things that show the trend lines of the Democrats, Independents and Republican listeners as the debate goes on? Most of them dropped or flatlined when they were talking about healthcare for all and decriminalizing the border.
    I doubt that happens anytime soon - most of them seem to be using Twitter analytics as their campaign research.
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    • #17
      I actually am interested in who people would like to see get the nomination.
      I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.

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      • #18
        And then there's Marianne Williamson, who proposes a $200-500 billion reparations package, with the funds to be distributed over 20 years, as determined by a council of African-American leaders.

        This plan is unlikely, to say the least. But it's powerful that Williamson is putting it out there, and staking out a leftward post on the reparations question. (Less impressive, and worth flagging for anyone who thinks Williamson's debate performance should make her a serious contender, is her long record of science denialism and hyper-individualism under the guise of spirituality and self-help).


        I watched her speech on this - she got screams of joy from the audience, but this whole notion of "it's not reparations - it's a debt to be paid" is bonkers.

        She'll probably not be the one I would identify as my Dem candidate of choice, if I'm wanting an alternative to Trump.


        Oh, and... SOURCE
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
          And then there's Marianne Williamson, who proposes a $200-500 billion reparations package, with the funds to be distributed over 20 years, as determined by a council of African-American leaders.

          This plan is unlikely, to say the least. But it's powerful that Williamson is putting it out there, and staking out a leftward post on the reparations question. (Less impressive, and worth flagging for anyone who thinks Williamson's debate performance should make her a serious contender, is her long record of science denialism and hyper-individualism under the guise of spirituality and self-help).


          I watched her speech on this - she got screams of joy from the audience, but this whole notion of "it's not reparations - it's a debt to be paid" is bonkers.

          She'll probably not be the one I would identify as my Dem candidate of choice, if I'm wanting an alternative to Trump.


          Oh, and... SOURCE
          I was really hoping that your link would be broken and I could make fun of you for it.
          I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Zymologist View Post
            I was really hoping that your link would be broken and I could make fun of you for it.
            I, sir, will try harder.
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Zymologist View Post
              For the leftists and moderates here, and for the conservatives who see themselves possibly voting for a Democrat for president: if the election was tomorrow and you could pick the Democratic candidate, which Democrat would you prefer? Feel free to make a distinction between who you'd ideally prefer and who you'd settle for with the best chance of beating Trump, if there's a difference. If you have ranked choices (say, top three), feel free to mention that as well.

              This is purely for my own curiosity.
              First off, to pick a nit, it's "Democratic Candidates." The adj. form has been that way since the early 18th century.

              As far as being able to beat Trump, right now I guess I'd go with Biden based on the polls, but Biden concerns me a little. He seems a little feeble and his heart doesn't seem to really be in it. After that, as far as electability, I guess Bullock and Klobuchar could appeal to moderates and Independents.

              As far as my ideal candidates, Warren has a lot of good proposals as does Buttigieg, but I don't think we're ready to elect a gay President.
              Last edited by Jim B.; 07-31-2019, 03:28 PM.

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              • #22
                Tim Ryan too would be a good choice for both categories.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by seer View Post
                  I like Tulsi Gabbard, if any one is asking...
                  This is my choice as well. Not saying if I was American I would vote for her in favor of Trump but if she becomes the candidate (very unlikely though) I would give a huge sigh of relief. She seems to be level headed and willing to at least talk to people on the other side of the fence.
                  Last edited by Darth Ovious; 07-31-2019, 04:22 PM.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by seer View Post
                    I like Tulsi Gabbard, if any one is asking...
                    She definitely says all the right things, but we know how that usually goes. She even seems to support the first amendment (surprising for a democrat). Her stance on the second leaves me concerned.

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                    • #25
                      I like Gabbard on foreign policy.
                      "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                        I like Gabbard on foreign policy.
                        She also seems beholden to the whims of Israel who doesn't take too kindly to shia terrorists and the countries they represent (even though she has taken a rather firm stand against the Syrian conflict). Also, being a military person would seem to indicate she'll bend over backwards for the MIC and its whims. Also, being a woman, she may feel the pressure of having to assert herself as exceptionally aggressive militarily than a man. But, yeah, like I said, she says all the right things about foreign policy.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by seanD View Post
                          She also seems beholden to the whims of Israel who doesn't take too kindly to shia terrorists and the countries they represent (even though she has taken a rather firm stand against the Syrian conflict). Also, being a military person would seem to indicate she'll bend over backwards for the MIC and its whims. Also, being a woman, she may feel the pressure of having to assert herself as exceptionally aggressive militarily than a man. But, yeah, like I said, she says all the right things about foreign policy.
                          If you're going to look that hard for ulterior motives in lieu in the candidate's stated positions, there is little point in discussion.
                          "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                          • #28
                            No skin in this particular game, but I'm hearing the progressive wing of the Democratic Party made a good showing, but I have little confidence that the party itself will allow them to go through.

                            Though to be honest, I think any Democratic candidate that gets confirmed should be voted for in favour of Trump by Democrats in the population. Much like the 'liberal' wing of my own country, purity seems to be much more important than actually winning, which is frankly bizarre.

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                            • #29




                              I should note that this was the assessment of CNN political commentator Chris Cillizza who declared after being asked who were the winners and losers of the debate:

                              Donald Trump: An extended conversation about eliminating all private insurance. A top-tier candidate -- Warren -- fully embracing decriminalizing illegal immigration. All of that is music to the President's ears. Remember that his poll numbers -- job approval that has never broken 50%, etc. -- suggest that there is no positive message that wins Trump a second term. Which means he needs as much fodder as possible to cast Democrats as deeply out of touch and representative of a creeping socialism. He got plenty on Tuesday night.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by EvoUK View Post
                                No skin in this particular game, but I'm hearing the progressive wing of the Democratic Party made a good showing, but I have little confidence that the party itself will allow them to go through.

                                Though to be honest, I think any Democratic candidate that gets confirmed should be voted for in favour of Trump by Democrats in the population. Much like the 'liberal' wing of my own country, purity seems to be much more important than actually winning, which is frankly bizarre.
                                All elections are local. People will vote in a national election based on how it impacts them at home. The extreme left view of many of the candidates for Democrat may well cause local Democrats to stay home, or hold their nose and vote for a second term for Trump.

                                (This, of course, does not include those who make all of their decisions based on the LiberalTalkingPointsForDummies)
                                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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