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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI never said they didn't have armed MPs and I did mention weapons training, But MPs are no more prevalent than Police on the outside. They are not everywhere.
Also I question your "quick access to armories" - Armories are pretty secure places. You have to have reasons and forms to get weapons out of an Armory. And they aren't just located at every corner.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThat.
I was taught the same thing. Not that they MIGHT be loaded, but that they ARE loaded.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostAgain, my experience is different than yours. Most bases have plenty of SFs/MPs who can get to a scene much quicker than your standard police officer, and armories are, in fact, easy to access and arm up at. It's kind of important for that to be the case, since base defense is a big part of, well, being a base.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostI was Security Forces on a military base 4 years before the the Ft. Hood shooting. I feel like I know a little bit about how well armed base personnel are, and how quickly one can get to an armory.
Jonesboro is probably a better example - everyone in that county was likely armed - but being armed up against snipers, even kids, doesn't have the deterrent effect and has little practical effect, unless the person is trained to deal with that eventuality, which was probably the case in Dayton.
Like I said, I think Sparky is over estimating the effect - but I do have to grant it exists."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostFort Hood is the exception that proves the rule. IIRC, someone recently posted stats that show that well over 90% of mass shootings take place in gun free zones.
And, of course, we have the whole issue of causality. Do mass shootings happen in gun-free zones because they are gun-free? Or do they happen in "gun-free zones" because these zones are typically declared where large numbers of people gather and someone looking to kill large numbers of people is going to go where large numbers of people gather. In other words, would they happen with greater or less frequency if the zones were NOT gun-free and simply had a large number of people there? AFAIK, we do not know the answer to that question.
People tend to grab onto, and continually repeat, the statistics that support their existing POV and ignore the rest of the data.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostIf I'm remembering correctly, Robert Heinlein was known for his militarism, which was cynically poked at by Paul Verhoeven in his adaptation of Starship Troopers.
For me the most pro 2A sci-fi novel out there has to be The Weapon Shops of Isher by A. E. van Vogt.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostIf I'm remembering correctly, Robert Heinlein was known for his militarism, which was cynically poked at by Paul Verhoeven in his adaptation of Starship Troopers."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostCorrelation does not equal causation. "Gun free zones" typically happen to be places full of people, which is what the crazed gunman is really after.
Personally, I think it's not the first consideration - that would likely be the availability of victims."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostFort Hood is a YUGE base.
Now I gotta go out and pick up some "Oh Nuts" assorted nuts as payment.Last edited by rogue06; 08-09-2019, 02:28 PM.
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"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostPlease stop with the phony Russian accent. Nobody believes you are Russian or even a non-native English speaker. In fact, before your return, your English was much better.
So just give up the stupid game. Your posts are nearly impossible to read.
Not that it matters to me - I only see his posts when other people make the mistake of answering him."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAssume they are REAL, they are LOADED, and they are DEADLY.
Yeah splitting hairs but there is no room for any possible doubt.
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"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostI thought he was trying to sound like a three year old?
Not that it matters to me - I only see his posts when other people make the mistake of answering him.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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