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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Fort Hood is a YUGE base.
    Dang. Lost my bet with Master Po. I said it would be MM who first described it thusly.

    Now I gotta go out and pick up some "Oh Nuts" assorted nuts as payment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Please stop with the phony Russian accent. Nobody believes you are Russian or even a non-native English speaker. In fact, before your return, your English was much better.

    So just give up the stupid game. Your posts are nearly impossible to read.
    I thought he was trying to sound like a three year old?

    Not that it matters to me - I only see his posts when other people make the mistake of answering him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Assume they are REAL, they are LOADED, and they are DEADLY.
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    Yeah splitting hairs but there is no room for any possible doubt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teallaura View Post
    I thought he was trying to sound like a three year old?

    Not that it matters to me - I only see his posts when other people make the mistake of answering him.
    Three year olds have better syntax.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teallaura View Post
    Like I said, I think Sparky is over estimating the effect - but I do have to grant it exists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrift View Post
    How big do you think a military base is? Even on very large bases like Ramstein, we had more than enough Security Forces, and other armed personal patrolling the gates and streets that a gunman in his right mind would have thought twice before open-firing. And I'm not just talking about carrying an M9 either. I carried, at the very least, a loaded M-16 with me at almost all times while in uniform. And again, armories are typically close by. You can arm a couple dozen people in no time flat. That's sort of the point of a military base. The fact that one of the worst shootings ever happened on a military base should tell people that soft targets aren't that big of a concern for a nut. I feel like I'm in bizarro land seeing people attempt to argue to the contrary having actually served, and knowing exactly what to expect on a military base.

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    Redstone and Kirkland are both freaking huge... Kirkland more so.

    I think Hood is probably an exception - but I also know that the lack of nearby armed personnel was considered to be a factor in the findings.

    The bases I've been on most (Gunter and Maxwell - Gunter used to be a base) had few visibly armed personnel back in the day - but that was before 9/11 and Hood came after.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carpedm9587 View Post
    And, of course, we have the whole issue of causality. Do mass shootings happen in gun-free zones because they are gun-free? Or do they happen in "gun-free zones" because these zones are typically declared where large numbers of people gather and someone looking to kill large numbers of people is going to go where large numbers of people gather.
    I believe the correct answer is "yes". A large number of soft-targets is going to be attractive to anyone who doesn't want his victims shooting back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrift View Post
    We haven't tried my idea yet, which is banning all guns except for police and military, but that's unlikely to happen in a nation so devoted to weapons.
    Under your proposal, my sister would most likely have been raped and killed, she was armed however with an AR-15...totally different outcome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teallaura View Post
    Redstone and Kirkland are both freaking huge... Kirkland more so.

    I think Hood is probably an exception - but I also know that the lack of nearby armed personnel was considered to be a factor in the findings.

    The bases I've been on most (Gunter and Maxwell - Gunter used to be a base) had few visibly armed personnel back in the day - but that was before 9/11 and Hood came after.
    I was stationed at both very large and very small bases. You're not necessarily going to visibly see a lot of people armed (those types will typically be at the gate or patrolling in police units and Humvees), but there will be SFs and MPs relatively close by in just about any direction. I suppose my biggest issue with this argument is that people are trying to downplay a place where we can rationally expect a very quick and well armed response. I was in the military pre and post 9/11. I distinctly remember that as soon as I saw reports of the second plane hitting the towers the klaxons on the base went off, and people ran to the armory (myself included. I ended up pulling a double-shift with an M60 machine gun). I feel that in a scenario where a gunman is shooting people on the actual base the response would be pretty darn quick (articles on the 2009 Fort Hood shooting state the approx. response time was 4 minutes).

    Technically a police officer could open fire in the station's break room, and kill a half dozen or more fellow cops before someone runs to grab a gun. If we can't reasonably expect places that have tons of quickly accessible weapons to be much safer than places like Walmart then I don't think arming everyone to the teeth will necessarily make much of a difference.

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