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  • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    Oh - I got his point. It got the most important part of his point. The paranoid part.

    The secondary point - the one you think is primary - looks very different without that layer of paranoia twisting it.

    Jim
    There is no paranoia in observing the treatment of the three shootings this weekend by the media.
    That's what
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    • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
      yep. My point was that we shouldn't be blaming people in either party for the actions of these sick individuals. Every evil or mentally ill person is going to have various causes and political views that he uses to justify his actions. That doesn't mean that Democrats or Republicans, or Trump is responsible for their action. THEY are the only ones responsible for their actions. Whether they have a manifesto blaming alien squirrels, socialists, or some other race, that is their own problem.
      And there you would be wrong Sparko. The atmosphere of hate and paranoia we find ourselves in is very much pushing people over the edge. And the catalyst for a lot of it is found in the current administration, though by no means are other parties not also guilty.

      Remember - a catalyst is an element that makes a reaction between two other elements possible when otherwise they would not react. The chaotic, hate filled message of Donald Trump is a catalyst for deteriorating relations between people in this country of different points of view. Trump is not a bridge builder - he is a wall builder.

      I was talking to a young lady that often cleans for us. She was telling us that the last few years the rhetoric that comes from Trump and that Trump invites has emboldened her relatives to express racist and intolerant views she never even knew existed until the current political environment.

      It is true that those ideas and thoughts could not have erupted if they did not exist. But Trump with his rallies and his constant nasty tweets and attacks on decent people allows them to find a voice. Even gives these thoughts a voice. We all are a mixture of good and bad. But what we feed is what we tend to become. Trump feeds hatred, intolerance, bitterness, anxiety, fear.

      Some leaders know how to appeal to the good in us to get things done, to make things happen, to fix problems. Trump is the opposite of that. He appeals to the bad in us, the worst in us. He motivates with fear. He motivates my mocking others, encouraging others to despise those that stand against his policies or his goals.

      We need the other kind of leader Sparko. We don't need this. Whether a person supports his policies or not, he's really bad for all of us.


      Jim
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      • Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
        There is no paranoia in observing the treatment of the three shootings this weekend by the media.
        But there is a great deal of paranoia in seeing something scary about the coverage of the three shootings this weekend by the media over the actual events themselves. That we as a people have reached such a low point that three of us could take a powerful gun and independently conduct three massacres in less than one week is the scary thing. That is what is scary, and THAT is what our focus should be.

        But that isn't the focus is it. The focus is the paranoid view everybody is out to take our guns. That the media is twisting these events for some dark, left leaning agenda.

        And that shift in focus from what is actually scary and dangerous (the shootings) to that imagined scary conspiracy is the effect of the paranoia I'm talking about.


        Jim
        My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

        If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

        This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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        • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
          But there is a great deal of paranoia in seeing something scary about the coverage of the three shootings this weekend by the media over the actual events themselves. That we as a people have reached such a low point that three of us could take a powerful gun and independently conduct three massacres in less than one week is the scary thing. That is what is scary, and THAT is what our focus should be.

          But that isn't the focus is it. The focus is the paranoid view everybody is out to take our guns. That the media is twisting these events for some dark, left leaning agenda.

          And that shift in focus from what is actually scary and dangerous (the shootings) to that imagined scary conspiracy is the effect of the paranoia I'm talking about.


          Jim
          Where did Sparko mention "scary"?
          That's what
          - She

          Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
          - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

          I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
          - Stephen R. Donaldson

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          • Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
            Where did Sparko mention "scary"?
            Or "taking away our guns?"

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            • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
              You "guess" wrong. It is the Trump language of "invasion" by Hispanics, which is the distinguishing feature of the El Paso shooter's Manifesto. This is the reason he drove 600 miles from Dallas...to shoot up Hispanics. It is Trump, not the Democrat Party, who routinely denigrates the humanity of anyone who isn’t white. This is the man who first came into public view for discriminating against African Americans in housing and who most recently called on four women of color to “go back” to where they came from. The Manifesto and behavior of the shooter echo these sentiments.
              Actually that is what the MSM focused on and wants everyone to ignore the fact that he is a left-wing white supremacist. He also made it clear that he has long hated Hispanics -- well before Trump even announced he was running for president.

              And then there is the Ohio shooter whose beliefs are being studiously ignored by the MSM except for a few outlets who were in effect shamed into covering them. This guy is as liberal as you can get. He's virulently anti-police, pro-antifa and a big supporter of Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders.

              So we have two decidedly left-wing kooks who went off the deep end and murdered a bunch of people but the TDS crowd just "knows" it's all Trump's fault because liberals are obviously heavily swayed by what Trump wants.

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              • Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                The only exception I see to that is places like the Congo.
                Violence in Africa is typically along tribal lines. So still technically racist, but at a tribal level rather than skin colour.

                The Rwandan genocide was tribal.

                And sometimes clans within the tribe.
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                • Originally posted by Raphael View Post
                  Violence in Africa is typically along tribal lines. So still technically racist, but at a tribal level rather than skin colour.

                  The Rwandan genocide was tribal.

                  And sometimes clans within the tribe.
                  Yeah, I was thinking the Congo isn't particularly homogeneous.
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                  • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                    Actually that is what the MSM focused on and wants everyone to ignore the fact that he is a left-wing white supremacist.
                    The shooter was NOT a “left-wing white supremacist” apart from identifying with the Christchurch shooter as an “eco-fascist. The MSM focused on the language of “invasion by Hispanics” because this is the language, he used in his Manifesto. It is also the language Trump has made a conspicuous part of his ongoing rhetoric via Twitter and his rallies.

                    He also made it clear that he has long hated Hispanics -- well before Trump even announced he was running for president.
                    So it is interesting that Trump reinforced his bias AFTER he becomes president.

                    And then there is the Ohio shooter whose beliefs are being studiously ignored by the MSM except for a few outlets who were in effect shamed into covering them.
                    The Ohio shooter was clearly mentally ill and should have been under observation considering that he had been detected as a student with a list of people he wanted to kill or rape. He should NEVER have had access to firearms.

                    This guy is as liberal as you can get. He's virulently anti-police, pro-antifa and a big supporter of Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders.
                    Oh. Are Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders white nationalists who are anti-police and pro-antifa.
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                    • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                      ...
                      Oh. Are Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders white nationalists who are anti-police and pro-antifa.
                      No. They are white socialists-fascists who are anti-police and pro-antifa, and are every bit as responsible for the Dayton shooter as Trump is for the El Paso shooter.
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                      • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                        The Bible has the cure for paranoia: "Perfect love casts out all fear". But a large number of us, even the majority of us, try to deal with fear some other way. The world's way.
                        demi suggest you try to love Trump, not hyperventilate here.
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                        • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                          The shooter was NOT a “left-wing white supremacist”
                          Um, yes he is. He is a strong supporter of free health care and a universal basic income -- which are anything but conservative policies. You also acknowledge that he's an "eco-fascist" which again is a position of the far left. There are plenty of left-wing racist bigots out there and he was one of the more violent ones.


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                          • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                            Um, yes he is. He is a strong supporter of free health care and a universal basic income -- which are anything but conservative policies.
                            Since when has being a “strong supporter of free health care and a universal basic income” make one into a White Supremacist?

                            You also acknowledge that he's an "eco-fascist" which again is a position of the far left. There are plenty of left-wing racist bigots out there and he was one of the more violent ones.
                            The Ohio shooter was clearly mentally ill, his history indicates this. And supporting the ecology, environment and conservation doesn’t make one an "eco-fascist", nor make one a “left-wing racist bigot”.
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                            • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                              Since when has being a “strong supporter of free health care and a universal basic income” make one into a White Supremacist?
                              How much time do you spend practicing to be this dense? The fact that he's a “strong supporter of free health care and a universal basic income” and his support of eco-fascism (writing about a need to "get rid of enough people" in order to preserve ever dwindling resources) reveal him to be a left-winger. His virulent, violent hatred of Hispanics marks him as a white supremacist[1]. The result is a left-wing white supremacist.

                              Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                              The Ohio shooter was clearly mentally ill, his history indicates this.
                              The Dayton shooter was a self described "leftist" and "atheist" who wanted socialism and who avidly supported antifa, seethingly hated law enforcement -- especially border patrol[2] -- held strong pro gun control positions (a high level of irony there), and ardently supported Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders[3]. That he was nuts evil, just like the El Paso shooter is self-evident.

                              Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                              And supporting the ecology, environment and conservation doesn’t make one an "eco-fascist", nor make one a “left-wing racist bigot”.
                              The El Paso shooter explicitly cited the New Zealand shooter as an inspiration, and that @$#%# described himself as an "eco-fascist." And writing about a need to get rid of enough people" in order to preserve ever dwindling resources puts him squarely in that camp.

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                              1 Although technically to be a white supremacist you need to hate blacks and Asians as well, which I'm not sure he does.

                              2. repeating AOC's rhetoric that the ICE detention centers are "concentration camps." I should note that the guy up in Washington who attacked an ICE facility armed with a rifle and throwing fire bombs against the building also called them "concentration camps" (and the Dayton shooter praised him as a "martyr"). That's two of her chickens that have come home to roost.

                              3. That's Sanders second supporter who went out to shoot and kill people. The first was a former campaign worker who specifically targeted Republicans as they practiced for the annual Congressional Baseball Game for Charity in Washington D.C.
                              Last edited by rogue06; 08-07-2019, 05:54 AM.

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                              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
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                              • Originally posted by Raphael View Post
                                Violence in Africa is typically along tribal lines. So still technically racist, but at a tribal level rather than skin colour.

                                The Rwandan genocide was tribal.

                                And sometimes clans within the tribe.
                                Right. I was referring to cultural and racial homogeny. Japan would perhaps be a better example of a basically homogenous culture and race that currently has a low instance of violence. Armenia would be an example of a fairly racially homogenous nation with a violence problem.

                                My point is that the US has a large and conflicted population that is divided along several cultural and racial lines. That's where I think the US is unique. And that is where most of our problems of violence stem.
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                                Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                                - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                                I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                                - Stephen R. Donaldson

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