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  • Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
    No. They are white socialists-fascists who are anti-police and pro-antifa, and are every bit as responsible for the Dayton shooter as Trump is for the El Paso shooter.
    Simply not true. Trump regularly works crowds into frenzies that are focused on hatred of the person or persons of the week that have dared stand in his way (the squad, cummings etc), the MSM, or immigrants (read 'Hispanic' or 'Islamic'). Warren does no such thing. Trump lives and breathes the sort of dynamic that encourages people to express loudly, emotionally and/or act on their own hatred and fear. Warren (nor for that matter any US politicians in recent memory) simply can not be compared to Trump in that regard. If they might be accused of dabbling in it, he masters it and wallows in it and takes each push back against it as reason to wade in even deeper.

    Jim
    My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

    If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

    This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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    • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
      Simply not true. Trump regularly works crowds into frenzies that are focused on hatred of the person or persons of the week that have dared stand in his way (the squad, cummings etc), the MSM, or immigrants (read 'Hispanic' or 'Islamic'). Warren does no such thing. Trump lives and breathes the sort of dynamic that encourages people to express loudly, emotionally and/or act on their own hatred and fear. Warren (nor for that matter any US politicians in recent memory) simply can not be compared to Trump in that regard. If they might be accused of dabbling in it, he masters it and wallows in it and takes each push back against it as reason to wade in even deeper.

      Jim
      Sorry, Jim. It's either acceptable or wrong. You can't have it both ways. Degree of "incitement" is irrelevant.
      That's what
      - She

      Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
      - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

      I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
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      • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
        Simply not true. Trump regularly works crowds into frenzies that are focused on hatred of the person or persons of the week that have dared stand in his way (the squad, cummings etc), the MSM, or immigrants (read 'Hispanic' or 'Islamic'). Warren does no such thing. Trump lives and breathes the sort of dynamic that encourages people to express loudly, emotionally and/or act on their own hatred and fear. Warren (nor for that matter any US politicians in recent memory) simply can not be compared to Trump in that regard. If they might be accused of dabbling in it, he masters it and wallows in it and takes each push back against it as reason to wade in even deeper.

        Jim
        Ignoring the fact that this is not the first time that a Warren supporter has become violent. For instance, in Massachusetts there was Shiva Ayyadurai who was running for Senate against Elizabeth Warren and got punched by one of her supporters.



        Maybe, it's just that leftists don't need all that much encouragement to turn to violence

        I'm always still in trouble again

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        • How is Liberals calling Trump and all of his supporters White Nationalists and Racists not inciting their base into frenzies of hate?

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          • Originally posted by seer View Post
            The we should call the shooting of Republicans Bernie inspired terrorism with his anti corporation rhetoric. And one should fear Democratic control of Texas since the left ruins everything it touches, just look how the ruined California or my state.
            For that matter, let's can the Dayton shooting "Elizabeth Warren inspired terrorism" since the guy was Democrat and Warren supporter. Strangely, I haven't seen the liberal media push that narrative. I wonder why?
            Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
            But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
            Than a fool in the eyes of God


            From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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            • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
              How is Liberals calling Trump and all of his supporters White Nationalists and Racists not inciting their base into frenzies of hate?
              I'm pretty sure the most popular current graffiti in our nation's capital is "[F-bomb] Trump".
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              • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                Um, yes he is. He is a strong supporter of free health care and a universal basic income -- which are anything but conservative policies. You also acknowledge that he's an "eco-fascist" which again is a position of the far left. There are plenty of left-wing racist bigots out there and he was one of the more violent ones.


                Denial is not a river in Egypt
                Just posting a link supporting your claims above:

                https://theweek.com/articles/857100/...climate-change

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                • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                  Just posting a link supporting your claims above:

                  https://theweek.com/articles/857100/...climate-change
                  From the article:
                  Source: The El Paso shooter's manifesto contains a dangerous message about climate change


                  The El Paso shooter's alleged manifesto cites two inspirational texts. The first, unsurprisingly, is the manifesto by the Australian terrorist who murdered 51 Muslims in Christchurch, New Zealand. The second, however, is less obvious: Dr. Seuss's environmentalist fable The Lorax.

                  This was not mere trolling, or an inchoate rant. Part of the author's justification for what he was about to do — shoot 22 people to death in a Walmart, most of them Mexican or Mexican-American — was that it would ultimately help restore our ecosystem. And far from an irrational or individual fixation, this argument is terrifyingly rational, and perfectly integrated into a broader project of white nationalism and racial terrorism.

                  It has a name: eco-fascism. And this will not be the last we hear of it.


                  Article continues here

                  © Copyright Original Source


                  I'm always still in trouble again

                  "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                  "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                  "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                  • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                    From the article:
                    Source: The El Paso shooter's manifesto contains a dangerous message about climate change


                    The El Paso shooter's alleged manifesto cites two inspirational texts. The first, unsurprisingly, is the manifesto by the Australian terrorist who murdered 51 Muslims in Christchurch, New Zealand. The second, however, is less obvious: Dr. Seuss's environmentalist fable The Lorax.

                    This was not mere trolling, or an inchoate rant. Part of the author's justification for what he was about to do — shoot 22 people to death in a Walmart, most of them Mexican or Mexican-American — was that it would ultimately help restore our ecosystem. And far from an irrational or individual fixation, this argument is terrifyingly rational, and perfectly integrated into a broader project of white nationalism and racial terrorism.

                    It has a name: eco-fascism. And this will not be the last we hear of it.


                    Article continues here

                    © Copyright Original Source

                    You wouldn't know that eco-fascism is far left from that article - which seems to imply that eco-fascists are former climate change deniers who flipped when they saw that the evidence for climate change became incontrovertible.
                    Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

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                    • Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six, anyone?

                      (the novel, not the video games)
                      I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.

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                      • Why is the contents of the manifesto being publicized? That's providing the shooter with exactly what he wanted to gain from committing the crime. I mean, I get that it's "out there", but there's no reason any reporter or blogger should be telling anybody what's in it.
                        "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                        • Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                          Why is the contents of the manifesto being publicized? That's providing the shooter with exactly what he wanted to gain from committing the crime. I mean, I get that it's "out there", but there's no reason any reporter or blogger should be telling anybody what's in it.
                          Why not? it goes to his motivation and people want to know why he did it.

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                          • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                            Why not? it goes to his motivation and people want to know why he did it.
                            The very reason he did it is so he could get a platform for his views. Giving him that tells people that if they want to get a message out to the entire nation, they can shoot and leave a manifesto.
                            "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                            • Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                              The very reason he did it is so he could get a platform for his views. Giving him that tells people that if they want to get a message out to the entire nation, they can shoot and leave a manifesto.
                              I would rather they never mentioned his name at all, but they did, and various people are already blaming Trump for his actions. But his manifesto contradicts that lie, so I think it is important that the information is available.

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                              • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                                I would rather they never mentioned his name at all, but they did, and various people are already blaming Trump for his actions. But his manifesto contradicts that lie, so I think it is important that the information is available.
                                Information from the manifesto is being weaponized by both sides, so I don't know how useful the information is in light of that, really.

                                Meanwhile, I just read that the Dayton shooter was liking posts on social media about the earlier Texas shooting: https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/05/us/co...1CwNRzGVTWkjuY This guy had a long obsession with mass shootings going back a long time. It's hard not to think about all the media attention shooters get in light of that.
                                "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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