Bullets are too hard to dodge, but I was thinking how to prevent all mass murders. Couldn't a bad guy steal a gun? Of course, not everyone should have a gun. I just don't like every mass shooting turning into a gun control argument.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThat.
If the laws already in place aren't being enforced then what good is passing new laws if they aren't going to be enforced either?
1) The only law liberals want to enforce is one that overturns the Second Amendment.
2) Those Democrat cities where strict gun laws are enforced are among the deadliest cities in America.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
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Than a fool in the eyes of God
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostTwo points:
1) The only law liberals want to enforce is one that overturns the Second Amendment.
2) Those Democrat cities where strict gun laws are enforced are among the deadliest cities in America.
Then the whole country can be like Chicago. Yea.
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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostBullets are too hard to dodge, but I was thinking how to prevent all mass murders. Couldn't a bad guy steal a gun? Of course, not everyone should have a gun. I just don't like every mass shooting turning into a gun control argument.
Honestly, it's not a gun control argument - that's just the guise given to the 'give us more power' argument actually being pushed. Postmodernism - yay!
Not."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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And, according to the article Mass Shootings in Gun-Free Zones, these shooters are particularly interested in gun-free zones...
According to ABC News, El Paso law enforcement officials advise that, moments before his killing rampage, the shooter cased the Walmart “looking for Mexicans.” While that may be so, it is nevertheless true that, consistent with his “manifesto,” his recon was also calculated to make sure that he would be attacking in a low-security area. In that regard, the Walmart store had no armed security guard, no police presence, and was located in a shopping mall that was a self-proclaimed “gun-free zone.”
Similarly, in the Dayton, Ohio, mass shooting on Sunday, which immediately followed the El Paso murders, the victims were attacked as they exited a nightspot that was a gun-free zone. And, in the Garlic Festival shootings in Gilroy, California last week, the victims were trapped inside a fenced area after going through metal detectors to make sure that they were disarmed. The shooter avoided the metal detectors by cutting through the fence and then attacking a victim pool that the Gilroy authorities had rendered incapable of defending themselves.
So it is that these most recent massacres share the one common element of almost all mass casualty shootings: gun-free zones.
According to the Crime Prevention Research Center, between 1950 and 2018 97.8 percent of all mass public shootings occurred in gun-free zones. Similarly, in the 20 states that allow teachers to be armed, there have been no school shootings (as well as no accidents or injuries caused by firearms possessed by teachers).The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostAfter examining this issue for many years now I am reluctantly starting to think that the lack of enforcement is deliberate. That way those who really do want confiscation can claim that they tried everything else and the only alternative left is to outlaw the possession of any and all firearms.
Then the whole country can be like Chicago. Yea.
That explains why you are pursuing the 'but enforce the ones we got' reasoning. It is a bad position to argue from - it let's the other side control the argument.
A better position is 'the laws were in effect and it didn't matter'.
But best of all is 'no, it's unconstitutional. Pass an amendment if you wanna change it.'. Make them take the fight to the states and the power grab loses. As long as you keep arguing from an assumption that the laws are effective if enforced, you are going to lose the war.
Once the crazies leave the field, then we can talk about sensible - and fair - gun control."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostI guess every human needs to be institutionalized. But who would take care of us?"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostI think we're already running the asylum - would you like Jello for dessert?
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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostMurderous scumbags will use anything to kill people. If you take their gun, they may use a knife, vehicle, poison, blunt weapons, etc.
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A man showed up at a Wal-Mart in Missouri today with two guns, a bulletproof vest, and 100 rounds of ammo, and was recording himself walking around the store making comments to customers. The store was evacuated, and an off duty firefighter held him at gunpoint until police could arrive to assess the situation.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ay/1961573001/
What was this guy thinking? Was he LARPing like those people who went around to businesses open carrying in groups just to prove they could (and all that achieved was getting several store/restaurant chains to ban concealed carry on premises)? Considering it was a Wal-Mart where the massacre the occurred just days prior, doing this seems downright cruel.Last edited by KingsGambit; 08-08-2019, 10:34 PM."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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