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    Why is the contents of the manifesto being publicized? That's providing the shooter with exactly what he wanted to gain from committing the crime. I mean, I get that it's "out there", but there's no reason any reporter or blogger should be telling anybody what's in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    Why is the contents of the manifesto being publicized? That's providing the shooter with exactly what he wanted to gain from committing the crime. I mean, I get that it's "out there", but there's no reason any reporter or blogger should be telling anybody what's in it.
    Why not? it goes to his motivation and people want to know why he did it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Why not? it goes to his motivation and people want to know why he did it.
    The very reason he did it is so he could get a platform for his views. Giving him that tells people that if they want to get a message out to the entire nation, they can shoot and leave a manifesto.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    The very reason he did it is so he could get a platform for his views. Giving him that tells people that if they want to get a message out to the entire nation, they can shoot and leave a manifesto.
    I would rather they never mentioned his name at all, but they did, and various people are already blaming Trump for his actions. But his manifesto contradicts that lie, so I think it is important that the information is available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    I would rather they never mentioned his name at all, but they did, and various people are already blaming Trump for his actions. But his manifesto contradicts that lie, so I think it is important that the information is available.
    Information from the manifesto is being weaponized by both sides, so I don't know how useful the information is in light of that, really.

    Meanwhile, I just read that the Dayton shooter was liking posts on social media about the earlier Texas shooting: https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/05/us/co...1CwNRzGVTWkjuY This guy had a long obsession with mass shootings going back a long time. It's hard not to think about all the media attention shooters get in light of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    I would rather they never mentioned his name at all, but they did, and various people are already blaming Trump for his actions. But his manifesto contradicts that lie, so I think it is important that the information is available.
    Really - so if it helps protect Trump it's ok to 'take the risk' some other similar ideologue will take up arms for the cause?

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    The manifesto was already published online by the shooter. I mean, you are aware this is the age of the internet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    Really - so if it helps protect Trump it's ok to 'take the risk' some other similar ideologue will take up arms for the cause?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    Right. I was referring to cultural and racial homogeny. Japan would perhaps be a better example of a basically homogenous culture and race that currently has a low instance of violence. Armenia would be an example of a fairly racially homogenous nation with a violence problem.

    My point is that the US has a large and conflicted population that is divided along several cultural and racial lines. That's where I think the US is unique. And that is where most of our problems of violence stem.
    The U.S. doesn't have a large and conflicted population, it has a large and diverse population within the which there is much racism. What you are recognizing is racism, which is connected with tribalism, which is a thing to overcome, not to foster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    I see truth really doesn't matter to you as long as the lie makes Trump look worse...
    I don't think that's a charitable interpretation of the post. My original claim is that publicizing the manifesto makes future shootings more likely, and Sparko's point was that the manifesto was used to defend Trump against attacks. I think the argument that preventing more shootings outweighs having it available to defend Trump is a reasonable one.
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