Mass Shooting - Dayton Ohio

[Teallaura]

According to Fox, the police were on scene (it was some sort of bar crawl? Anyway, they were already there for the crowd) and managed to stop the shooter within one minute.

Making gun control points immediately after a tragedy is just trashy - on BOTH sides.

[Adrift]

Only kinda sorta - Ohio allows concealed carry in places that serve alcohol with a valid concealed carry permit, unless posted and as long as you consume no alcohol.

Is that not reasonable?

[Cow Poke]

Is that not reasonable?

Personally, I don't think guns need to be where alcohol is served, but I was simply stating what I understand the law to be.

And, Ohio is one of the places where "open carry" is legal, even without a permit.

Any person who is at least 21 years old and legally entitled to carry a firearm can open carry. - [Ohio Rev. Code § 2923.125]

[rogue06]

Or, maybe, instead of launching into the impossible "BAN GUNS - NO, GUN RIGHTS" battle, spend some time to figure out what's actually making these people act out.

I stand corrected and apologize for the unintentional derail (since I'd never apologize for an intentional one)

[Cow Poke]

I stand corrected and apologize for the unintentional derail (since I'd never apologize for an intentional one)

We just go to that same impossible argument every time, and no progress. If they ban semi-automatic rifles, what's to keep somebody from going into a place with, for example, Ruger's new .22 semi-auto handgun with standard 30 round magazines?

[Adrift]

Reports from acquaintances on Facebook from the area are now claiming that the sister's boyfriend was also killed, and there is speculation that it had to do with their mixed race relationship.

[Mountain Man]

Mass shootings ought to be regarded as acceptable losses simply because no effective action is ever taken to prevent them. So, while policemen and politicians go on television to condemn and sympathize and everyone agrees that the killing is horrible, nothing ever happens because the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

Omnes pro uno, does not apply.

The real problem is that liberals are determined to rewrite the Constitution and revoke basic liberties as a solution. There's no room for compromise, and so gridlock and inaction is the result.

[DesertBerean]

his name was connor betts, looks like he killed his sister in the process.

https://www.cbsnews.com/live-news/da...-live-updates/

reports from acquaintances on facebook from the area are now claiming that the sister's boyfriend was also killed, and there is speculation that it had to do with their mixed race relationship.

ugh.

[firstfloor]

Or, maybe, instead of launching into the impossible "BAN GUNS - NO, GUN RIGHTS" battle, spend some time to figure out what's actually making these people act out.

I agree. The young men that do these things seem to be convinced that there is a problem so serious that only military style action will deal with it, and they see themselves as being on the front line. Where does that idea come from?

Part of it seems to be political messaging, and part is gun advertising. Guns linked by advertising to manly behavior and problem solving.

[seanD]

I agree. The young men that do these things seem to be convinced that there is a problem so serious that only military style action will deal with it, and they see themselves as being on the front line. Where does that idea come from?

Part of it seems to be political messaging, and part is gun advertising. Guns linked by advertising to manly behavior and problem solving.

I think it's a combo of things, not the least of which is prescribed psychotropic drugs. But I believe a large percentage of it is just how we're being shaped by social media to react to one another. Everything is reactionary and emotional now. This is especially negative on the youth who have really known no other way to react to people or resolve conflict outside of the internet. So this probably translates to how they react to real life situations.

[Cow Poke]

Reports from acquaintances on Facebook from the area are now claiming that the sister's boyfriend was also killed, and there is speculation that it had to do with their mixed race relationship.

[Cow Poke]

I agree. The young men that do these things seem to be convinced that there is a problem so serious that only military style action will deal with it, and they see themselves as being on the front line. Where does that idea come from? ...

From the social engineering of the 60's when we took prayer and discipline out of the schools and turned them over to teachers' unions whose only interest was "the system", not the kids. When we replaced moral absolutes with "anything goes". We are reaping the whirlwind.

[Cow Poke]

I think it's a combo of things, not the least of which is prescribed psychotropic drugs. But I believe a large percentage of it is just how we're being shaped by social media to react to one another. Everything is reactionary and emotional now. This is especially negative on the youth who have really known no other way to react to people or resolve conflict outside of the internet. So this probably translates to how they react to real life situations.

When John Kennedy was assassinated, our school sent us home to be consoled by our parents, because they knew that "life is tough and bad things happen", but we stand together.

[Teallaura]

When John Kennedy was assassinated, our school sent us home to be consoled by our parents, because they knew that "life is tough and bad things happen", but we stand together.

Weirdly, when Reagan was shot, kids on my school bus cheered.



Not for long - I thought our school bus driver was gonna kill 'em all before we even got out of the school yard... Never, ever, enrage little Southern ladies - just don't!

[demi-conservative]

Or, maybe, instead of launching into the impossible "BAN GUNS - NO, GUN RIGHTS" battle, spend some time to figure out what's actually making these people act out.

How many on drugs?

In November 2005, more than four years after Yates drowned her children, Effexor manufacturer Wyeth Pharmaceuticals quietly added “homicidal ideation” to the drug’s list of “rare adverse events.”