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  • #31
    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    When John Kennedy was assassinated, our school sent us home to be consoled by our parents, because they knew that "life is tough and bad things happen", but we stand together.
    Yep, it was definitely a different time. But even as early as the 80-90s this wasn't happening as abundant as we're seeing. Earliest major shooting involving youths (and by major I mean mass casualties, planning it beforehand, manifestos, etc.) I remember was Columbine. So the similar recent major shootings happening now are happening right when social media took off and expanded. I don't think anyone can argue that that hasn't had a major influence on this situation. That and prescribed drugs to kids in mass are recent situations.
    Last edited by seanD; 08-04-2019, 08:25 PM.

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    • #32
      Connor Betts??? Prog.

      On social media, the suspect’s biography started to emerge. On his Twitter page, reviewed by Heavy, he described himself as “he/him / anime fan / metalhead / leftist / i’m going to hell and i’m not coming back.” He wrote on Twitter that he would happily vote for Democrat Elizabeth Warren, praised Satan, was upset about the 2016 presidential election results, and added, “I want socialism, and i’ll not wait for the idiots to finally come round to understanding.”
      https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/connor-betts/
      Other accused shooter also prog, big surprise.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by seanD View Post
        Yep, it was definitely a different time. But even as early as the 80-90s this wasn't happening as abundant as we're seeing. Earliest major shooting involving youths (and by major I mean mass casualties, planning it beforehand, manifestos, etc.) I remember was Columbine. So the similar recent major shootings happening now are happening right when social media took off and expanded. I don't think anyone can argue that that hasn't had a major influence on this situation. That and prescribed drugs to kids in mass are recent situations.
        Good points, sir.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by seanD View Post
          Yep, it was definitely a different time. But even as early as the 80-90s this wasn't happening as abundant as we're seeing. Earliest major shooting involving youths (and by major I mean mass casualties, planning it beforehand, manifestos, etc.) I remember was Columbine. So the similar recent major shootings happening now are happening right when social media took off and expanded. I don't think anyone can argue that that hasn't had a major influence on this situation. That and prescribed drugs to kids in mass are recent situations.
          I think there have been a lot of factors. For me, when I heard about Columbine, my literal first thought was 'what took so long?'. I knew instantly that the shooters would be outsiders with a history of being bullied.

          And that they wouldn't have a strong faith back ground. I knew it as well as my own name - I was only surprised that some kids hadn't resorted to shooting up a school much earlier.

          Why? Because I was one of those kids who's always picked on - mercilessly. BUT I had other influences - faith, church, parents who cared, TV that wasn't all anti-hero, bad guys being glorified - and Fat Albert and the Cosby Kids. Strangely enough, sometimes simple things do more than we imagine.

          But a kid who's school life is unremitting torture? Personal interactions and assaults are the same thing? With few or none of the influences that helped me - no surprise at all that they turn violent and lash out at the entire school rather than just the bullies. We outsiders are well aware that schools are often complicit - it's easier to not worry about the ruckus in the hall - kids will sort it out themselves, right? Only for some kids, bullying is all they get and fighting back doesn't work - not all kids can win. For them, the school itself becomes the enemy - at least it was to me.

          And the culture, as you pointed out, has changed - and none of it good. We grew up with Mr Rogers. Today's kids grow up with South Park. We played with each other. They play against computers. We grew up with kids that were mostly well adjusted. They have no idea what that even looks like.

          Anyway, you get the drift. We took hope out of schools along with prayer - there's no wonder that the warehouse system we developed is churning out little psychotics. The amazing thing is that there aren't more of them!
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          • #35
            . We took hope out of schools along with prayer
            How many shooters atheist?
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            • #36
              Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
              According to Fox, the police were on scene (it was some sort of bar crawl? Anyway, they were already there for the crowd) and managed to stop the shooter within one minute.

              Making gun control points immediately after a tragedy is just trashy - on BOTH sides.
              Every time I hear some talking head say, "It's too soon to politicize it" -- which only gets said when the OTHER side is doing it -- I want to hit him or her in the face with a rake.
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              • #37
                Originally posted by Adrift View Post
                Reports from acquaintances on Facebook from the area are now claiming that the sister's boyfriend was also killed, and there is speculation that it had to do with their mixed race relationship.
                The news media reports I've seen say the friend was injured but not killed.
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by seanD View Post
                  Yep, it was definitely a different time. But even as early as the 80-90s this wasn't happening as abundant as we're seeing. Earliest major shooting involving youths (and by major I mean mass casualties, planning it beforehand, manifestos, etc.) I remember was Columbine. So the similar recent major shootings happening now are happening right when social media took off and expanded. I don't think anyone can argue that that hasn't had a major influence on this situation. That and prescribed drugs to kids in mass are recent situations.
                  We made a real big mistake with Columbine what with wringing our hands trying to understand the shooters and why they would do such a thing. What we did was establish role models for every kook out there.

                  I'm always still in trouble again

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                  • #39
                    And Biden has weighed in as only he can -- offering sympathy for the ‘tragic events in Houston today and also in Michigan’.

                    I'm always still in trouble again

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                    • #40
                      Turns out this guy was a liberal and supporter of Elizabeth Warren...

                      https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2019...-ohio-shooter/
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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by demi-conservative View Post
                        Connor Betts??? Prog.



                        Other accused shooter also prog, big surprise.
                        He likes Elizabeth Warren and Satan - bedfellows in his mind...
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                          From the social engineering of the 60's when we took prayer and discipline out of the schools and turned them over to teachers' unions whose only interest was "the system", not the kids. When we replaced moral absolutes with "anything goes". We are reaping the whirlwind.
                          That was more than 50 years ago. It does nothing to explain why mass shootings have increased in the last ten years.
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                            From the social engineering of the 60's when we took prayer and discipline out of the schools and turned them over to teachers' unions whose only interest was "the system", not the kids. When we replaced moral absolutes with "anything goes". We are reaping the whirlwind.
                            I see a flaw in your argument. Nostalgia applies equally to your father, and his father, and so on. What is the end state? This is an argument about reversing time. But we cannot unstir milk from a cup of coffee.

                            What we see here, is that part of the problem, not the solution, is in conservative nostalgia for a past that has flowed beyond reach.

                            That nostalgia is a factor in the El Paso shootings.
                            Last edited by firstfloor; 08-05-2019, 07:52 AM.
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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Ignorant Roy View Post
                              ...mass shootings have increased in the last ten years.
                              In fact, they haven't.

                              There is, by now, a familiar script to it all: A mass public shooting, followed by waves of grief and outrage, then calls for gun control on the one hand and harrumphing about politicizing tragedies on the other. The news stories and statements by political leaders write themselves, with only the location, name of the shooter and number of casualties changing. It all seems so routine.

                              But this perception isn’t because of some unprecedented rise in the rate of mass public shootings—far from it. They’re roughly as common now as they were in the 1980s and ’90s. And the data offer a stark finding: Over the past decade, mass public shootings haven’t become particularly more prevalent, they’ve simply become deadlier.

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                              https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...esearch-215678
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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
                                I agree. The young men that do these things seem to be convinced that there is a problem so serious that only military style action will deal with it, and they see themselves as being on the front line. Where does that idea come from?

                                Part of it seems to be political messaging, and part is gun advertising. Guns linked by advertising to manly behavior and problem solving.
                                What gun advertising?

                                And I think it has more to do with first person shooter video games. You can't tell me that playing those games doesn't desensitize kids to violence and murder and even make it fun.

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