I was listening to a local Bishop recently, he was saying that substance abuse was a disease not a sin. But scripture clearly defines drunkenness as a sin (the main substance abuse of the time). I get why some do not want to put this in moral terms since they fear that the resulting guilt may prevent recovery, but a Bishop (or Christian) should know better.
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Substance Abuse: Sin Or Disease?
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Substance Abuse: Sin Or Disease?
Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
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I think it can be both.
Addiction is a disease, but not all substance abuse is addiction. And even with most addictions, there is a time before you are actually addicted where you are making a conscious decision to give in to the addiction or avoid it. Nobody makes you take that first hit of heroin but yourself.
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Who says it is mutually exclusive? The poor choices that lead to addiction is the sin. The physiological/psychological need to keep abusing the drug is the disease part. But it is still the person's choice to seek help.If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI think it can be both.
Addiction is a disease, but not all substance abuse is addiction. And even with most addictions, there is a time before you are actually addicted where you are making a conscious decision to give in to the addiction or avoid it. Nobody makes you take that first hit of heroin but yourself.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostExactly that is a moral choice that will eventually lead to addiction. Which makes it a sin.
They still need to recognize they have a problem and stop, but I don't know where the sin begins. Maybe they know they need help but refuse because they like the substance?
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Originally posted by seer View PostI was listening to a local Bishop recently, he was saying that substance abuse was a disease not a sin.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Drunkenness and gluttony are both sins in Scripture, yet Jesus said those who are whole do not need a physician, but those who are sick (Luke 5:31). So indeed, it does seem to be both.
Blessings,
Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThey still need to recognize they have a problem and stop, but I don't know where the sin begins. Maybe they know they need help but refuse because they like the substance?"For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6
"Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom
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