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  • Originally posted by seanD View Post
    I don't see the odds of suicide as a necessary deterrent at all in that scenario. If that didn't work, try it again, a third, fourth, fifth time, or try something else. The fact he tried it once before didn't seem to provide the necessary means of prevention to stop it from happening a second time, so why not a third? To me the problem with the scenario is assuming who's involved and who had knowledge that it was an intentional setup. The guards are a bit of an obstacle, but if we assume they didn't actually take a bribe (strange that they're being uncooperative with investigators) and really were asleep, it's very plausible. It seems highly unlikely they just happened to be sleeping when they were guarding the most notorious criminal they had on their watch. So it was likely a regular routine with them, which means a higher-up knew this to be the case, then all that was needed was to remove a couple other barriers that the higher-up had the authority to do -- take him off suicide watch and remove his cellmate (without notifying the DoJ), both of which happened. Perfectly plausible to me, much more so than someone having an actual hand in the killing.

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    Isn't it pretty common knowledge at this point that they messed up and were falsifying records? How did it even become known they were sleeping and falsifying the logs? Seems like the jig is already up. Why be uncooperative at that point and just make yourself look even more culpable or suspicious?
    I'm sorry, but I can't spell this out more clearly without publicly saying things that could be considered advice to criminals about how to help themselves during a criminal investigation. You'll have to reason this one out. Imagine being guilty, knowing they have unequivocal proof, that there's nothing you could say to lower the charges, and there's no one else to blame. What do you do?
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    • Originally posted by myth View Post
      I'm sorry, but I can't spell this out more clearly without publicly saying things that could be considered advice to criminals about how to help themselves during a criminal investigation. You'll have to reason this one out. Imagine being guilty, knowing they have unequivocal proof, that there's nothing you could say to lower the charges, and there's no one else to blame. What do you do?
      Wait for the indictment to drop? But if the extent of your involvement was only falsifying logs so you could sleep, wouldn't that just PO the Feds even more to not cooperate? Maybe you could plea bargain, but if you just keep antagonizing them, wouldn't that not work in your favor? But you obviously have more expertise in this than I do.
      Last edited by seanD; 08-18-2019, 06:03 PM.

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      • Originally posted by JimL View Post
        Anyone know if this might be the same Dr Baden that testified in the defense of O.J. Simpson?
        Yes. He's kind of a "celebrity" pathologist. Possibly the best-known, though around these parts (western PA), Cyril Wecht is more famous.
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        • Originally posted by myth View Post
          I'm sorry, but I can't spell this out more clearly without publicly saying things that could be considered advice to criminals about how to help themselves during a criminal investigation. You'll have to reason this one out. Imagine being guilty, knowing they have unequivocal proof, that there's nothing you could say to lower the charges, and there's no one else to blame. What do you do?
          Clam up and lawyer up.
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          • Anybody else found anything at all about this alleged gag order that the celebrity pathologist is under?
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
              Clam up and lawyer up.
              We knew they legal protection like days ago.

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              • Originally posted by seanD View Post
                We knew they legal protection like days ago.
                Doesn't matter - if you are under suspicion or investigation SHUT UP and GET A LAWYER.

                The cops are NOT your friends - and they mean that bit about ANYTHING you say being used against you. No matter how innocent you are - shut up and lawyer up.

                Even more so if you're guilty.

                That's not assuming anything bad - it's just how the system works.

                FYI: Manafort wouldn't have been convicted if he'd talked to counsel before the FBI interview.
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                • Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
                  Doesn't matter - if you are under suspicion or investigation SHUT UP and GET A LAWYER.

                  The cops are NOT your friends - and they mean that bit about ANYTHING you say being used against you. No matter how innocent you are - shut up and lawyer up.

                  Even more so if you're guilty.

                  That's not assuming anything bad - it's just how the system works.

                  FYI: Manafort wouldn't have been convicted if he'd talked to counsel before the FBI interview.
                  Wow, that's unusual to hear from someone on tweb.

                  The Feds apparently have all the evidence they need so there's no point antagonizing them even more. They have the logs and they somehow already know they were asleep. I would rather pose the question to myth since he's had experience with this, but wouldn't you feel the urge to be as lenient as you can towards criminals that cooperate with you than if they don't?

                  OTOH, if there's something the investigators don't already know (like getting bribes, or info that could criminalize them even more), now it makes sense to me that they'd be uncooperative and wait for trial.

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                  • Originally posted by seanD View Post
                    Wow, that's unusual to hear from someone on tweb.
                    What she said.
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                      What she said.
                      You stand by "cops are not your friends"? YOU?

                      J/K

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                      • Originally posted by seanD View Post
                        Wow, that's unusual to hear from someone on tweb.

                        The Feds apparently have all the evidence they need so there's no point antagonizing them even more. They have the logs and they somehow already know they were asleep. I would rather pose the question to myth since he's had experience with this, but wouldn't you feel the urge to be as lenient as you can towards criminals that cooperate with you than if they don't?

                        OTOH, if there's something the investigators don't already know (like getting bribes, or info that could criminalize them even more), now it makes sense to me that they'd be uncooperative and wait for trial.
                        Once your lawyer has heard the story and made the decision of how to approach the matter - THEN you do what the lawyer says about cooperation/statements.

                        They aren't inclined to be lenient. That's not their job. Shut up, get lawyer - follow the lawyer's advice.

                        For exactly the same reason you don't do your own tonsillectomy - you aren't the professional and when dealing with the law you NEED one.
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                          • Originally posted by seanD View Post
                            You stand by "cops are not your friends"? YOU?

                            J/K
                            He's not your friend, buddy.

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                            • Originally posted by seanD View Post
                              That's beautiful. Epstein was apparently recording everything, so I hope we get more revealing photos, a whole cache of photos and videos.
                              Indeed. Given the nature of Epstein’s wealthy international social scene, it’s possible co-conspirators/participants in the illicit underage sex scene would have the means to flee into hiding or keep their identities undisclosed. Bad luck for them that the investigation is continuing.
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                              • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                                Indeed. Given the nature of Epstein’s wealthy international social scene, it’s possible co-conspirators/participants in the illicit underage sex scene would have the means to flee into hiding or keep their identities undisclosed. Bad luck for them that the investigation is continuing.
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