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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Dr. Michael Baden is a pathologist who was hired by Epstein's representatives to observe the autopsy, and he's been pretty quiet. If there were news, I'm sure he'd be touting it.
    Probably because he's under a gag order...

    Reached by phone, Baden said he is bound by a gag order from the medical examiner’s officer and Epstein’s attorneys and currently not allowed to speak about the autopsy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seanD View Post
    Probably because he's under a gag order...
    Great - more mystery - I can't find anything at all on the alleged gag order, other than Baden claiming to be under one.

    A gag order would be issued by a judge or a court. Sometimes, when somebody simply wants to invent an excuse not to talk, they'll claim they're under a gag order.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Great - more mystery - I can't find anything at all on the alleged gag order, other than Baden claiming to be under one.

    A gag order would be issued by a judge or a court. Sometimes, when somebody simply wants to invent an excuse not to talk, they'll claim they're under a gag order.
    So you think he's lying? You assumed he would tout something he saw that was amiss with the autopsy, so why would you assume he would lie to the daily beast just so he wouldn't have to talk, yet he'd be willing to talk about other matters of the investigation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by seanD View Post
    So you think he's lying?
    I have no way of knowing - but a gag order is a big deal - and if there were one in place, I'd be surprised that somebody in the media hasn't commented on it.

    You assumed he would tout something he saw that was amiss with the autopsy,
    Because his job was to be there to observe to make sure things were on the up-and-up.

    so why would you assume he would lie to the daily beast just so he wouldn't have to talk, yet he'd be willing to talk about other matters of the investigation?
    Sean, you seem, of late, to be looking for a fight. I never "assumed he was lying" - I simply expressed surprise that the 'gag order' was not being covered by the press. I'm still quite surprised that there's this "gag order", and there's nothing in the press at all about it.

    I'm not even saying there is NOT a gag order --- I'm just surprised I haven't seen anything about it. And it may actually be out there - I just haven't found it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    I have no way of knowing - but a gag order is a big deal - and if there were one in place, I'd be surprised that somebody in the media hasn't commented on it.



    Because his job was to be there to observe to make sure things were on the up-and-up.



    Sean, you seem, of late, to be looking for a fight. I never "assumed he was lying" - I simply expressed surprise that the 'gag order' was not being covered by the press. I'm still quite surprised that there's this "gag order", and there's nothing in the press at all about it.

    I'm not even saying there is NOT a gag order --- I'm just surprised I haven't seen anything about it. And it may actually be out there - I just haven't found it.
    I'm not looking for a fight, I was just asking a legit question. You expressed surprise that he was silent about the autopsy in one post, but then you implied he was lying just so he wouldn't have to talk about the autopsy in another. It seemed like you were contradicting yourself. You're too much, man
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    Quote Originally Posted by seanD View Post
    I'm not looking for a fight, I was just asking a legit question. You expressed surprise that he was silent about the autopsy in one post, but then you implied he was lying just so he wouldn't have to talk about the autopsy in another. It seemed like you were contradicting yourself.
    No, I did not imply he was lying. You obviously inferred that, but my concern was that I'd like to see the gag order myself, to see what it covered. A gag order, as I suggested, is a big deal, and is usually pretty specific in what it covers. It could actually yield some answers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seanD View Post
    Guess this pretty much answers my question...

    Attorneys Martin Weinberg, Reid Weingarten and Michael Miller said in a statement that it is "indisputable that the authorities violated their own protocols" at the federal lockup.

    They say they'll conduct their own probe and get court help, if necessary, to see "pivotal videos."
    I would imagine video footage is pretty much the be-all/end-all proof of homicide or not (of course, others might dispute that since I don't have any personal experience and am basing this just on common sense), so if there's any indication of tampering or denial of this footage, the attorneys will make a public stink about it.

    I also found this interesting...

    A Justice Department official says people including jail staff members believed to have information pertinent to the probe into financier Jeffrey Epstein's death are not cooperating with investigators.

    The official says the people have not yet been interviewed by the FBI and that their lack of cooperation is a challenge as investigators works to try to determine the full circumstances surrounding Epstein's suicide.

    The official was not authorized to discuss the investigation publicly and spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity.

    The official says the FBI has repeatedly sought interviews with some staff members but those interviews are being delayed by union representatives.

    And another detail I found interesting, contrary to what at least I was led to believe before, the guards weren't necessarily being "overworked" in the sense that they were so understaffed that they were forced to work hours they didn't want to...

    Fox News has also learned that 20 of 21 prison staff posts were filled between the hours of 4 p.m. and 12 a.m. on Friday, Aug. 9, the day before Epstein was found. Of those prison workers, six of them were working voluntary overtime. Between 12 a.m. and 8 a.m. on Saturday, Aug. 10, 18 of 19 staff posts were filled. Of those 18 staffers, 10 were working overtime and all but one of those were doing so voluntarily.
    Of course, there's always a possibility Fox News is reporting false facts to stir up controversy to sell the article
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    Quote Originally Posted by seanD View Post
    Of course, there's always a possibility Fox News is reporting false facts to stir up controversy to sell the article
    I don't rely on Fox for my news.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seanD View Post
    The post you responded to earlier...
    Oh, I'm sorry. Didn't think you were being literal about that part. If we're talking about a scenario in which money changes hands to exploit a situation to intentionally cause the death of another person, we're still talking a homicide. That is possible even if he killed himself, however I don't imagine that being very likely for the simple reason that if a suspect is trying to orchestrate a real suicide, the chances of success are low and your mileage will very dramatically. What's the point in a criminal conspiracy with a 15% (just picking a random number) chance of success? To be honest, if a person or organization has enough influence and access to confidently predict that, they probably won't be caught unless there's a whistle blower. The breadth of power necessary to have all the pieces in place that quickly is difficult to imagine.

    Another possibility is that the jail staff just did that on their own, hoping he'd kill himself. But without a personal investment in the outcome, why do it? If there was personal investment, they'll have to find the reward.
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    Anyone know if this might be the same Dr Baden that testified in the defense of O.J. Simpson?

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