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    Amazon Not Burning Down

    Source: New York Times

    What Satellite Imagery Tells Us
    About the Amazon Rain Forest Fires


    Scientists studying satellite image data from the fires in the Amazon rain forest said that most of the fires are burning on agricultural land where the forest had already been cleared.
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    Yay, the rain forest isn't on fire!




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    Another great story ruined by truth!
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    Some interesting information here.

    (Some of the climate alarmists may discount this source as nutty - I really don't know)

    You can't actually "see" the fires or the damage they do, looking at the globe from space.

    So why does it look like the whole Earth is on fire in the maps above? That's a great question, and it leads to exaggeration of the true size of what's burning. As I understand it, this data is actually composed of "warm pixels." This means the satellite has detected what it thinks could be a wildfire based on its temperature, and I assume, other algorithms. NASA warns on their website:

    "Don't be fooled by sizes of some of the bright splotches on these maps. The colors represent a count of the number of fires observed within a 1,000-square-kilometer area."

    This means you're not looking at actual fires, you're looking at pixels which represent the number of satellite-detected fires within 1,000 square-kilometers of a location, and that data can be represented with smaller pixels, but if you zoom out to show the whole Earth, as above, you wouldn't be able to see them. It's analogous to looking at a map of NWS Storm Spotters, where each car is the size of Rhode Island. When you zoom way out, it will look like cities are clogged with cars, but the reality is that a car is a lot smaller than Rhode Island, and when you get down to that level, they are very far apart.
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    When I was a kid we called it the Amazon Jungle. It sounded less exotic and romantic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faber View Post
    When I was a kid we called it the Amazon Jungle. It sounded less exotic and romantic.
    EGGzackly -- when they started calling it "the rain forest", it had the effect of making me think "ok, they're trying to make this sound even more important than it is". In Galveston, Texas, there is actually a "Rain Forest" theme park you can go to to "explore the rain forest", and they even have a "rain forest cafe". (Part of the indoctrination)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    EGGzackly -- when they started calling it "the rain forest", it had the effect of making me think "ok, they're trying to make this sound even more important than it is". In Galveston, Texas, there is actually a "Rain Forest" theme park you can go to to "explore the rain forest", and they even have a "rain forest cafe". (Part of the indoctrination)
    Who knew! Apparently, the Rainforest Cafe is a capitalist outfit with locations all over the place!!!


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    Also the fires are only more numerous in Brazil but are actually lower in other areas of the Amazon. But the news won't tell you that, except maybe as a footnote.


    As of August 16, 2019, an analysis of NASA satellite data indicated that total fire activity across the Amazon basin this year has been close to the average in comparison to the past 15 years. (The Amazon spreads across Brazil, Peru, Colombia, and parts of other countries.) Though activity appears to be above average in the states of Amazonas and Rondônia, it has so far appeared below average in Mato Grosso and Pará, according to estimates from the Global Fire Emissions Database, a research project that compiles and analyzes NASA data.
    https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/im...ires-in-brazil

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    and:

    the fires were at average levels through to mid August, and then there was a huge uptick.

    Why was that? Seems that it started when the farmers in the state of Para declared a "'dia do fogo,'" or "day of fire" on August 10th. They said they did this in order to show to Bolsonaro that they want to work and that the only way to clear pastures for them to work was with fire (report in Portuguese here), This was spectacularly "successful" and there was an immediate increase in fires which continued through the following weeks.

    As Aljazeerah reports it:

    According to the Brazilian newspaper Folha do Progresso, the fires started on August 10 when an association of farmers in the state of Para announced a so-called "day of fire". The idea, according to the publication, was to coordinate a number of simultaneous fires to show Bolsonaro "they are ready to work". On that day, 124 new fires were registered by INPE and the next day 203 more were flagged.

    The Public Prosecutor in the State of Para has opened an investigation into the incident

    Brazil's Amazon is burning: 'Some families lost everything'
    https://www.science20.com/robert_wal...d_rates-240959

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Who knew! Apparently, the Rainforest Cafe is a capitalist outfit with locations all over the place!!!


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    apparently, you haven't been doing your duty to save the Rainforest Cafe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teallaura View Post
    Source: New York Times

    What Satellite Imagery Tells Us
    About the Amazon Rain Forest Fires


    Scientists studying satellite image data from the fires in the Amazon rain forest said that most of the fires are burning on agricultural land where the forest had already been cleared.
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    Yay, the rain forest isn't on fire!



    Sorry. Had to ask...

    So I can still order some books?

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