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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    It is absolutely sickening - that is NOT what unions were for!
    Unfortunately, as long as you pay your dues they'll pretty much support you regardless of what you did.

    I'm always still in trouble again

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    Unfortunately, as long as you pay your dues they'll pretty much support you regardless of what you did.
    And, to me, the absolute worst abuse of this is in the schools -- the National Education Association doesn't give a rat's hineybo about the students - they're all about protecting bad teachers.
    Every problem is the result of a previous solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    It is absolutely sickening - that is NOT what unions were for!
    By the end, I just started going to management myself if I had a problem with anything. Usually, they would fully play into the game and intentionally break the collective bargaining terms, daring the union to call them on it, but since I was a hard worker and got along fine with everybody (except the union boss), I found I had better results dealing with them myself and could generally come to an agreement.

    I'm fully aware not every manager out there is actually willing to talk to employees, though.

    (Incidentally, the union steward was the guy I mentioned in the other thread who told me that if society fell apart, he would come after "liberals like you" because he knew they wouldn't have guns. Scary stuff.)
    For what was given to everyone for the use of all, you have taken for your exclusive use. The earth belongs not to the rich, but to everyone. - Ambrose, 4th century AD

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    By the end, I just started going to management myself if I had a problem with anything. Usually, they would fully play into the game and intentionally break the collective bargaining terms, daring the union to call them on it, but since I was a hard worker and got along fine with everybody (except the union boss), I found I had better results dealing with them myself and could generally come to an agreement.

    I'm fully aware not every manager out there is actually willing to talk to employees, though.

    (Incidentally, the union steward was the guy I mentioned in the other thread who told me that if society fell apart, he would come after "liberals like you" because he knew they wouldn't have guns. Scary stuff.)
    Especially when you think about the origin of the term "going postal".
    Every problem is the result of a previous solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    But those PESKY perforations! Just need to make sure they're not all lined up together.
    Perforated all over and it would be very difficult to make a rope out of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teallaura View Post
    Perforated all over and it would be very difficult to make a rope out of it.
    Although...

    I'm always still in trouble again

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    Difficult is not impossible...

    But if it's really perforated all over, even making it into strands will be difficult as all get out. I'd have a lot of trouble - and I've got friends who spin who would probably throw a fit before even attempting it.

    Mind you, a restless sleeper is going to turn it into confetti so it wouldn't be a great sheet...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teallaura View Post
    Doesn't matter - if you are under suspicion or investigation SHUT UP and GET A LAWYER.

    The cops are NOT your friends - and they mean that bit about ANYTHING you say being used against you. No matter how innocent you are - shut up and lawyer up.

    Even more so if you're guilty.

    That's not assuming anything bad - it's just how the system works.

    FYI: Manafort wouldn't have been convicted if he'd talked to counsel before the FBI interview.
    I can't agree with this. It's never terrible advice to talk to a lawyer. But talking can to the police help you or someone else out, especially if you haven't done anything wrong. There are times when people talk and don't really give me much, but I have enough to charge them anyways. Other times, they talk and tell me their side of the story -- and I actually believe the story and decide not to charge them. Or maybe someone's made up an allegation and the suspect can provide an albi, but doesn't even know enough about the allegation (because they haven't talked to me) to know they can help themselves easily.

    I tell people all the time: if you don't want to talk to me, then that's fine. But that means I'll make a decision about whether not to arrest you without hearing your side of the story. Once I've charged you you're paying a ton of money to a lawyer and have to deal with court, etc...when you possibly could have talked to me and avoided the charges. The case just doesn't magically go away because you decide not to talk to me.

    Heck, last summer I had a victim file a report that I thought was BS. The suspect showed up while I was recovering "stolen" property. When I introduced myself and asked to talk to him, he lost his mind and screamed that he...ummm.....had nothing to say.... but she was lying. A brief conversation would have allowed me to understand why she was making up stuff against him, but he hates the cops so much he couldn't bring himself to talk to me and help himself out. If, however, he'd have explained to me how and why she was full of crap...I might have even been able to charge her with filing a false report.
    "We see unmistakably the sort of universe in which we have all along been living, and must come to terms with it. If we had foolish un-Christian hopes about human culture, they are now shattered. If we thought we were building up a heaven on earth, if we looked for something that would turn the present world from a place of pilgrimage into a permanent city satisfying the soul of man, we are disillusioned, and not a moment too soon." - C.S. Lewis, The Weight of Glory

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