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  • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
    In no way have you addressed the issue of of the possibility of foul play in Epstein's death and the consequent necessity for ongoing enquiries.
    No problem....

    A) It is possible there was foul play in Epstein's death
    2) I have seen no reason to dispute the findings of the coroner of record who was attended by the celebrity pathologist you worship
    C) That has nothing to do with the fact that you constantly go into overdrive exaggerating somebody's credentials if they offer something with which you agree.

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    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • Meanwhile, I hadn't seen this elsewhere in the news...

      Jeffrey Epstein was taken off suicide watch by high-level psychologist

      Jeffrey Epstein, the multimillionaire financier who died by suicide while in federal jail on sex-trafficking charges, had been taken off suicide watch by a doctoral-level psychologist, the Justice Department said in a letter to Congress.

      Epstein, 66, died on Aug. 10 in his cell at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in Manhattan. His death was ruled a suicide by hanging.

      He had been placed on suicide watch in July after he was found in his cell semiconscious with marks on his neck.

      But he "was later removed from suicide watch after being evaluated by a doctoral-level psychologist who determined that a suicide watch was no longer warranted," the Justice Department said in a letter Friday to the House Judiciary Committee's chairman, Jerry Nadler, D-N.Y., and its ranking member, Doug Collins, R-Ga.

      Federal inmates on suicide watch are placed in special cells, the letter said, citing Bureau of Prisons policy. "This environment includes easy access to the room, unobstructed vision of the inmate at all times, and limited availability of objects, materials, or architectural features that would allow for easy self-injury," the letter states.
      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • Similar story from NPR...

        The Justice Department acknowledges that a psychologist working in the New York federal detention center where disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein was held had approved his removal from a suicide watch list prior to his death.

        Epstein was found unresponsive in his cell on August 10 in the the Metropolitan Correctional Center in Manhattan, where he was being held pending trial on sex trafficking charges. A subsequent autopsy determined that he had hanged himself.

        In July he had been found unconscious on the floor of his cell, prompting the suicide-watch measures.

        In a three-page letter from Assistant Attorney General Stephen Boyd to the leaders of the House Judiciary Committee, Boyd confirmed that Epstein had been placed on suicide watch after the July incident.

        "Mr. Epstein was later removed from suicide watch after being evaluated by a doctoral-level psychologist who determined that a suicide watch was no longer warranted," Boyd wrote.

        In the wake of Epstein's death, Attorney General William Barr said there had been "serious irregularities" at the MCC, which is operated by the Federal Bureau of Prisons. It is a unit of the Justice Department and under Barr's authority. Barr also blamed the MCC facility staff for failing to "adequately secure the prisoner." Barr reassigned the facility's warden and placed two guards who were responsible for watching Epstein on administrative leave.
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • Should be using a psychiatrist rather than a psychologist.

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          • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
            Should be using a psychiatrist rather than a psychologist.
            Yeah, I think they tried to cover that by saying "doctor-level".
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
              Yeah, I think they tried to cover that by saying "doctor-level".
              Doctoral-level.
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              • Originally posted by DesertBerean View Post
                Doctoral-level.
                EGGzackly.
                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • Why would a psychiatrist be preferable to a psychologist? I thought the main difference was that the former would be qualified to prescribe meds, which would not be relevant here.
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                  • Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
                    Why would a psychiatrist be preferable to a psychologist? I thought the main difference was that the former would be qualified to prescribe meds, which would not be relevant here.
                    If you are talking effective assistance, they aren't. A psychologist will tell you when you're doing something stupid and help figure out how to fix it. A psychiatrist will figure out what meds to give you so you don't notice the stupidity any more.


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                    • Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
                      Why would a psychiatrist be preferable to a psychologist? I thought the main difference was that the former would be qualified to prescribe meds, which would not be relevant here.
                      A psychiatrist is a medical doctor (an M.D. or D.O.) who specializes in mental health and as such is much better positioned to assess the whole person than a psychologist would be in the Epstein situation. Psychologists are basically trained counselors who are qualified to help people cope more effectively with day-to-day life issues and mental health problems.
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                      • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                        No problem....

                        A) It is possible there was foul play in Epstein's death
                        Correct. It is quite possible especially given his connection to a large number of high-profile figures. This is why the question arises.

                        2) I have seen no reason to dispute the findings of the coroner of record
                        Except for the above indisputable fact.

                        who was attended by the celebrity pathologist you worship
                        “Worship”??

                        C) That has nothing to do with the fact that you constantly go into overdrive exaggerating somebody's credentials
                        Really. His credentials seem pretty good to me.

                        Dr. Cyril Wecht is described as “a world-renowned forensic pathologist” by numerous outlets. “He has been the president of both the American Academy of Forensic Science and the American College of Legal Medicine, and currently heads the board of trustees of the American Board of Legal Medicine. He served as County Commissioner and Allegheny County Coroner and Medical Examiner serving the Pittsburgh metropolitan area”. Wiki.

                        if they offer something with which you agree.
                        As opposed, in this instance, to ignoring the indisputably good credentials and professional standing of those with whom you disagree in favor of launching an attack against their alleged criminal activities, which some have argued was politically motivated in any event.
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                        • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                          Correct.
                          Absolutely!
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                            As opposed, in this instance, to ignoring the indisputably good credentials and professional standing of those with whom you disagree in favor of launching an attack against their alleged criminal activities, which some have argued was politically motivated in any event.
                            So, "some" have argued... yeah, that's rock solid!

                            Tass, if it had only been a case of having been indicted ("you can indict a ham sandwich"), I could have bought the "politically motivated" spin. He was, however, NOT ACQUITTED by a jury - it was a HUNG Jury. That means that, after presentation of all the evidence, at least SOME on the jury believed him to have committed the offenses for which he was charged.

                            You have to look at both.

                            (I'm still laughing at your "indisputably good credentials and professional standing".... you just can't help yourself)
                            Last edited by Cow Poke; 08-26-2019, 07:08 AM.
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • [insert funny comment about the Psychologist working for Hillary here]


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                              • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                                Tass, if it had only been a case of having been indicted ("you can indict a ham sandwich"), I could have bought the "politically motivated" spin. He was, however, NOT ACQUITTED by a jury - it was a HUNG Jury. That means that, after presentation of all the evidence, at least SOME on the jury believed him to have committed the offenses for which he was charged.

                                You have to look at both.
                                One does not have to look at ANY, given that this discussion is NOT about the perceived wrongdoing of Dr. Cyril Wecht but his fitness as a forensic pathologist to offer views re the Epstein death. And given his long professional record and history of academic appointments (currently Head of the Board of Trustees of the American Board of Legal Medicine), he is indeed in such a position. Especially when his opinion has been validated by other forensic pathologists as cited.
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