Epstein Found Dead In Cell...

[Cow Poke]

Can we proceed to trial on this case? Haven't various trials been undertaken when the criminal has already had his appointment with the undertaker?

According to the Washington Post, Judge Berman said there would be no criminal trial...

There will be continued civil litigation. At least six of those who say they were victimized by Epstein have joined lawsuits against his estate, and representatives for others say they plan to make similar efforts, although the scope is unclear. Prosecutors also sought to assure the women that the investigation into those who might have aided Epstein would continue.

But Judge Richard M. Berman said at the outset the obvious yet painful truth: “Mr. Epstein’s death obviously means that a trial in which he is a defendant cannot take place.” Instead, Berman created a venue for the women to share their stories with each other and the world — some publicly for the first time, others retelling the now familiar horrors they endured in hopes of some bit of catharsis.

Somebody know something different?

[seanD]

Sadly, this will be yet another Lawyer Retirement Program.

I'm hoping that the female victims get some sort of compensation. But I'm mainly hoping this will publicly expose his many high profile associates, political or otherwise.

[KingsGambit]

Mike was joking...

[rogue06]

According to the Washington Post, Judge Berman said there would be no criminal trial...

There will be continued civil litigation. At least six of those who say they were victimized by Epstein have joined lawsuits against his estate, and representatives for others say they plan to make similar efforts, although the scope is unclear. Prosecutors also sought to assure the women that the investigation into those who might have aided Epstein would continue.

But Judge Richard M. Berman said at the outset the obvious yet painful truth: “Mr. Epstein’s death obviously means that a trial in which he is a defendant cannot take place.” Instead, Berman created a venue for the women to share their stories with each other and the world — some publicly for the first time, others retelling the now familiar horrors they endured in hopes of some bit of catharsis.

Somebody know something different?

Sorta figure that it would be pointless to try a dead person. Now suing his estate OTOH... And going after co-conspirators... That's different.

[seanD]

According to the Washington Post, Judge Berman said there would be no criminal trial...

There will be continued civil litigation. At least six of those who say they were victimized by Epstein have joined lawsuits against his estate, and representatives for others say they plan to make similar efforts, although the scope is unclear. Prosecutors also sought to assure the women that the investigation into those who might have aided Epstein would continue.

But Judge Richard M. Berman said at the outset the obvious yet painful truth: “Mr. Epstein’s death obviously means that a trial in which he is a defendant cannot take place.” Instead, Berman created a venue for the women to share their stories with each other and the world — some publicly for the first time, others retelling the now familiar horrors they endured in hopes of some bit of catharsis.

Somebody know something different?

He didn't say there would be no criminal trial. He said Epstein is not a defendant obviously because he's dead. That doesn't mean investigations won't continue with not just the the means in how he died but future criminal indictments of his co-conspirators.

[Cow Poke]

He didn't say there would be no criminal trial. He said Epstein is not a defendant obviously because he's dead. That doesn't mean investigations won't continue with not just the the means in how he died but future criminal indictments of his co-conspirators.

Aren't you the guy who just whined about nit-picking? Epstein won't be on trial. Other factors will certainly be considered.

[Cow Poke]

I'm hoping that the female victims get some sort of compensation.

Agreed.

But I'm mainly hoping this will publicly expose his many high profile associates, political or otherwise.

And, let the chips fall where they may, though if there are people who are implicated who have any control over the process, it will be hot mess.

[Teallaura]

The simplest explanation of all the evidence we have is that he committed suicide and that the prison acted incompetently due to overworked staff. There isn't any good evidence to suggest anything else happened. While a conspiracy without being apriori implausible, it is still less plausible than the simplest explanation in this case given what evidence we have.

Actually, I think the problem is jumping to ANY conclusion based on the preliminary evidence we have.

I'm dubious of 'incompetence' as an explanation for multiple failures surrounding a very public inmate.
I'm dubious of 'conspiracy' as an explanation when all we have for evidence is innuendo about 'important' people.

There should be a full, independent inquiry. Once the bulldogs have finished, then we might know enough to draw conclusions.

[Teallaura]

According to the Washington Post, Judge Berman said there would be no criminal trial...

There will be continued civil litigation. At least six of those who say they were victimized by Epstein have joined lawsuits against his estate, and representatives for others say they plan to make similar efforts, although the scope is unclear. Prosecutors also sought to assure the women that the investigation into those who might have aided Epstein would continue.

But Judge Richard M. Berman said at the outset the obvious yet painful truth: “Mr. Epstein’s death obviously means that a trial in which he is a defendant cannot take place.” Instead, Berman created a venue for the women to share their stories with each other and the world — some publicly for the first time, others retelling the now familiar horrors they endured in hopes of some bit of catharsis.

Somebody know something different?

There are allegations of co-conspirators so this only eliminates the obvious - a trial of Epstein himself.

But it's too early to 'know' anything for sure.

[Cow Poke]

There are allegations of co-conspirators so this only eliminates the obvious - a trial of Epstein himself.

But it's too early to 'know' anything for sure.

As far as I'm concerned, the delinquent jailers and prison staff should be facing charges.

[Teallaura]

As far as I'm concerned, the delinquent jailers and prison staff should be facing charges.

Probably - but don't forget the management/admin that put them there.

Separate discussion but I find most government agencies are top heavy - way more management than is justifiable. It's an outgrowth of several factors, including letting the fox guard the hen house.

[JimL]

The simplest explanation of all the evidence we have is that he committed suicide and that the prison acted incompetently due to overworked staff. There isn't any good evidence to suggest anything else happened. While a conspiracy without being apriori implausible, it is still less plausible than the simplest explanation in this case given what evidence we have.

The operative phrase is given what evidence we have. For one thing, whether he hung himself or not, this is such a high profile and far reaching case, the American people need be assured, through investigation, exactly what the evidence shows. Too many unusual circumstances in connection with this death to just take what where told as fact.

[Cow Poke]

Probably - but don't forget the management/admin that put them there.

I included them in "prison staff" - but, yeah, let's be clear - the prison ADMINISTRATION.

Separate discussion but I find most government agencies are top heavy - way more management than is justifiable. It's an outgrowth of several factors, including letting the fox guard the hen house.

That has been my issue with the public schools for AGES --- WAY too much "administration" and not enough foot soldiers / teachers.

[Cow Poke]

The operative phrase is given what evidence we have. For one thing, whether he hung himself or not, this is such a high profile and far reaching case, the American people need be assured, through investigation, exactly what the evidence shows. Too many unusual circumstances in connection with this death to just take what where told as fact.

But if Pelosi told you "what is", you'd buy it, no?

[Teallaura]

But if Pelosi told you "what is", you'd buy it, no?

Come on, that one isn't really fair.


Tempting, but not fair.