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"I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostNo, I do not grant that.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostSee, here's the problem right here....
Your own bias caused you to assume something that was simply not true.
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIn this day and age, Charles, headlines are DESIGNED to be clickbait. They want your attention. And they're true to the maxim "if it bleeds, it leads". So, no, headlines are NOT "quite important". They often are so far out of touch with the article they introduce...Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIt's all about "HEY, look at ME!"Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostNow, any "citizen journalist" (or kook) can put a fancy looking website and appear to be "official".Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIf you don't think the news outlets are in it for the money, you, sir, are pretty naive.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWould you grant that they are not as reputable as you would want them to be?"I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostI don't read MSNBC so can't speak to them. I frequently read CNN and can speak to their headlines generally matching up well with the content of their articles, which is what we're discussing here.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostOK, cool, so in regards to their news in general -- is it as reputable as you would want it to be?"I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostI don't read MSNBC so can't speak to them. I frequently read CNN and can speak to their headlines generally matching up well with the content of their articles, which is what we're discussing here.
That is an acknowledgment that sometimes they don't.
I'm always still in trouble again
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Originally posted by Charles View PostLet's look at it. I pointed to a manipulating headline in Breitbart. OBP tried to make the case that headlines are not important in order to try to make the case that my criticism was not important. Here are a couple of quotes from you given in that particular context:
I don't see you pushing for higher standards in any of those quotes.
Charles, I'm really trying to treat you like an adult, not a troll -- I've been dismissive of you in the past, because I've seen you as a supreme picker of nit just for the sake of argument. You seem to be doing that here.
I wasn't ARGUING for or against 'higher standards', I was speaking, as your actual quotes of mine testify, to the problem of headlines not matching articles.
When you asked, I -- without reservation -- advocated for a higher standard.
WHY would I do that? Because I believe it's necessary and never indicated otherwise.
Especially the last one in which you try to make it look as if I am naive to think it is important that headlines do not manipulate is rather interesting in this case.
sorryThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostThere's always room for improvement with anybody, but that's changing the subject to an area I'm not prepared to discuss right now.
OKThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostYou mean like when that totally innocent student who got hassled by the cops with a homemade clock that just happened to look like a bomb, but totally wasn't intended to look like a bomb, or that teenager in the Trump hat who taunted an innocent Native American man who was minding his own business? Or when that famous actor was beaten up and doused with bleach by men who hollered "This is Trump country?" I read it on a bunch of news sites that that's exactly how those things played out.
Others are like: people I know who were interviewed by our local newspaper about a housing crisis who were made to sound a whole lot whinier than I knew them to be about the subject; media going nuts over a tight shot of a snow-covered unscreened window in the midst of a massive manhunt where a wider shot would have either confirmed whether there were recent or old or no footprints at all for the viewer's evaluation...
My point is, the less informed the readership is about how easily facts can be twisted to suit whims and outright dishonesty, the more the media will try to get away with just to get and hold their attention. Readers and viewers need to be more demanding if they want to have accuracy. The boy and the Native American swayed public opinion drastically precisely because more information was exposed on the Internet, forcing everybody to backtrack.Watch your links! http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/fa...corumetiquette
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYou don't see me advocating for blood donors in the event of a catastrophic mass casualty event, either.
Charles, I'm really trying to treat you like an adult, not a troll -- I've been dismissive of you in the past, because I've seen you as a supreme picker of nit just for the sake of argument. You seem to be doing that here.
I wasn't ARGUING for or against 'higher standards', I was speaking, as your actual quotes of mine testify, to the problem of headlines not matching articles.
When you asked, I -- without reservation -- advocated for a higher standard.
WHY would I do that? Because I believe it's necessary and never indicated otherwise.
Hurt your feelings, did I?
sorry
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Originally posted by rogue06 View Post"generally" is the operative word here, dontcha think?
That is an acknowledgment that sometimes they don't."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAnd I still stand by the fact that nobody has yet to show a Breitbart article I've cited to be in error. The complaint is not "The facts are wrong!" but "I don't like how the facts are presented!"
Prediction: In this case it wont make a difference whether Reuters or an unmaned source said something though MM usually does not trust unnamed sources. This is going to be the convenient exception. Or the reply will simply focus on something else.
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Well we have successfully gotten JimL and crew to agree with the conservative conspiracy that Epstein was murdered, instead of going with the liberal talking points that he just committed suicide.
This is truly a momentous occasion in Tweb history.
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Originally posted by Charles View PostTo sum it up quite quickly. You tried to make the point headlines were not important when I pointed to a manipulating headlines.
You tried to make the case that I was naive when I was pointing to the importance in headlines being correct.
In the context you tried to make the case that my criticism of Breitbart was not important because headlines are not important.
It is as simple as that.
Glad to find it is not what you really think, though.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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