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  • #16
    Originally posted by myth View Post
    Yeah. Several years back, I studied a lot of the research on violent media in general (video games, tv, movies, etc) and the impact on violence. Basically, I could only identify violent media as a contributing factor to violent acts because of the frequent exposure in developing minds and a more significant contributing factor in those with mental illness (particularly so when the mentally ill person is still young). The research on that was pretty solid.

    I personally think that the mass shooting phenomenon is a result of many factors. Particularly: our culture's glorification of violence, the frequent and sometimes subliminal exposure to acts of violence without significant negative consequence via media on developing and/or mentally ill minds, our ease of access to guns, our entirely inadequate mental health system, our aversion to creating better physical security apparatus at target locations, a rise in social sandboxing because of the internet, and a desire among marginalized young men to commit masked suicide by killing others (thus achieving infamy)....a lot of which is fueled by our morally bankrupt main stream media organizations.
    Guns were easier to access in America prior to the 90s, after which mass shootings begin a parabolic move upwards.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
      Along with all of that - the breakdown of discipline in the schools. There was a time when the teachers were to be respected, and - as was the policy in my home as a kid - if I got a "swat" at school, I got TWO at home. But, it's a whole different world we live in now.
      Yep. In general, our culture has a lot less respect for authority than it used to. Also, for a variety of reasons, there are a lot of young men in our country who don't have a father figure in their life. While moms are great, I think not having a present father really negatively impacts all children, but in particular young men. They grow up subconsciously searching for a way to define and express their masculinity, with disastrous results when they find the wrong example to follow. I've done some casual research into this before, and their are some interesting studies out there talking about how a father figure impacts child development and how men and women in general parent differently...which is good for children's development.
      "If you believe, take the first step, it leads to Jesus Christ. If you don't believe, take the first step all the same, for you are bidden to take it. No one wants to know about your faith or unbelief, your orders are to perform the act of obedience on the spot. Then you will find yourself in the situation where faith becomes possible and where faith exists in the true sense of the word." - Dietrich Bonhoeffer, The Cost of Discipleship

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      • #18
        Originally posted by seanD View Post
        Guns were easier to access in America prior to the 90s, after which mass shootings begin a parabolic move upwards.
        Perhaps, but our society has changed a lot since then. It's the combination of factors that I think is such a problem.

        Also, the last few times I've looked at the numbers, violent crime in general has declined significantly since the 70s (I believe). The mass shootings, however, are an interesting exception to that. Or course 24-hour news media cycle, though, would lead one to believe that violent crime is getting worse...and that police are killing civilians as at much higher rate, for that matter.

        Added for clarity: I'm very pro-2nd Amendment and a bit of a gun-nut myself. I'm paranoid about gun control, I just have to acknowledge that in countries with less guns, they also see less gun violence.
        Last edited by myth; 08-10-2019, 12:50 PM.
        "If you believe, take the first step, it leads to Jesus Christ. If you don't believe, take the first step all the same, for you are bidden to take it. No one wants to know about your faith or unbelief, your orders are to perform the act of obedience on the spot. Then you will find yourself in the situation where faith becomes possible and where faith exists in the true sense of the word." - Dietrich Bonhoeffer, The Cost of Discipleship

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        • #19
          Originally posted by TheWall View Post
          Can you please give an example?
          Look at myth's post #17 for one example.

          I'm always still in trouble again

          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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          • #20
            Originally posted by myth View Post
            Yep. In general, our culture has a lot less respect for authority than it used to. Also, for a variety of reasons, there are a lot of young men in our country who don't have a father figure in their life. While moms are great, I think not having a present father really negatively impacts all children, but in particular young men. They grow up subconsciously searching for a way to define and express their masculinity, with disastrous results when they find the wrong example to follow. I've done some casual research into this before, and their are some interesting studies out there talking about how a father figure impacts child development and how men and women in general parent differently...which is good for children's development.
            So, maybe God was smart after all when He designed the family unit -- a mom and a dad with kids related by blood! (and I am pro-adoption, so let's not leave that out)

            It's amazing now how un-PC it is to talk about a family unit being a mom and a dad and kids. That's homophobic, xenophobic...
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #21
              Unfortunately, the link to "Tell Your Children: The Truth About Marijuana, Mental Illness, and Violence" is simply a link to purchase the book on Amazon.
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                So, maybe God was smart after all when He designed the family unit -- a mom and a dad with kids related by blood! (and I am pro-adoption, so let's not leave that out)

                It's amazing now how un-PC it is to talk about a family unit being a mom and a dad and kids. That's homophobic, xenophobic...
                Yup! I'll try to find the example...but this podcast I heard specifically talked about how fathers tend to 'rough house' with kids with things like play wrestling, and how that helps reinforce social boundaries in young children by demonstrating respect for others, teaching limits about the use of physical force and how fun can be had within boundaries set by the authority figure.
                "If you believe, take the first step, it leads to Jesus Christ. If you don't believe, take the first step all the same, for you are bidden to take it. No one wants to know about your faith or unbelief, your orders are to perform the act of obedience on the spot. Then you will find yourself in the situation where faith becomes possible and where faith exists in the true sense of the word." - Dietrich Bonhoeffer, The Cost of Discipleship

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by myth View Post
                  Yup! I'll try to find the example...but this podcast I heard specifically talked about how fathers tend to 'rough house' with kids with things like play wrestling, and how that helps reinforce social boundaries in young children by demonstrating respect for others, teaching limits about the use of physical force and how fun can be had within boundaries set by the authority figure.
                  Ya know, that's a natural thing... I used to love watching the neighbor dog, Sandy, come over to play with Jake. They'd play chase, and King on the Mountain, and wrestle, and just about the time you thought, "OK, this is getting vicious", one of them would yelp, and they would both immediately pull away and just stand there looking at each other like, "OK, sorry, got carried away".

                  I can't remember which one, but one of the black celebrities (not Cosby) talked about that - the role of the father was to teach the son limitations on "mixing it up", and not going too far.
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                    Unfortunately, the link to "Tell Your Children: The Truth About Marijuana, Mental Illness, and Violence" is simply a link to purchase the book on Amazon.
                    IOW this was nothing more than someone exploiting tragedy for profit.

                    I'm always still in trouble again

                    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                    "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                    "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                      IOW this was nothing more than someone exploiting tragedy for profit.
                      If the emphasis on selling the book was the main one, yes, but it appears to be only a reference.
                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                      • #26
                        It's going to be a sad state of affairs if, while guns obviously end up being the political left scapegoat, marijuana turns out to be the political right scapegoat

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                          Ya know, that's a natural thing... I used to love watching the neighbor dog, Sandy, come over to play with Jake. They'd play chase, and King on the Mountain, and wrestle, and just about the time you thought, "OK, this is getting vicious", one of them would yelp, and they would both immediately pull away and just stand there looking at each other like, "OK, sorry, got carried away".

                          I can't remember which one, but one of the black celebrities (not Cosby) talked about that - the role of the father was to teach the son limitations on "mixing it up", and not going too far.
                          Yup. Found the link: https://www.artofmanliness.com/artic...ith-your-kids/
                          "If you believe, take the first step, it leads to Jesus Christ. If you don't believe, take the first step all the same, for you are bidden to take it. No one wants to know about your faith or unbelief, your orders are to perform the act of obedience on the spot. Then you will find yourself in the situation where faith becomes possible and where faith exists in the true sense of the word." - Dietrich Bonhoeffer, The Cost of Discipleship

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                            If the emphasis on selling the book was the main one, yes, but it appears to be only a reference.
                            Kinda looks like it was the reference.

                            I'm always still in trouble again

                            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                            "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                              Kinda looks like it was the reference.
                              Go away!
                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by myth View Post
                                That would drive the socialists absolutely bonkers!
                                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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