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The sad fact is he is coming from a church that basis truth on emotion. Hillsong has very shallow theology and a view of God that makes him out to be a vending machine. And when God does not give them what they want then they see it as a failure on God's part.Comment
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God is not a genie!If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!Comment
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Sadly, Nick, your indictment of youth ministries in Christian denominations also matches with my experience growing up Jewish.
By the time of the bar/bat mitzvah, none of us had any idea what we believed or why we believed it. What did we have? A lot of "contemporary Judaism" and "Jewish culture" and assorted outings. Those are all fine, in small doses. It shouldn't shock anybody, though, that such an approach fails to build a robust theological connection and understanding of the religion.Comment
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Christian education is fast becoming neither - but before we place blame solely on the Church what happened to his Bible? Did his Christian bookstore not have an apologetics section? Why didn't he ask any of those questions to Christians that might be able to address - if not outright answer - them?
Christian education is a passion of mine and yes, it has many failings. Feel good churches aren't likely to be either for very long. BUT when I became an atheist it was my OWN FAULT that I didn't seek answers to my issue and that I had never actually read the Bible cover to cover - or tried to find another translation. OR asked questions of people that might could have helped me.
The Bible tells us 'seek and ye shall find' - which kinda requires that we actually do some seeking.
Before we speculate about what's wrong with 'them', take a good look in the mirror - is that eye clear or is there a log poking out. True both ways around - both for we as the church in how we respond to the weak state of Biblical literacy - and to the 'seeker' that isn't really looking."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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When I was a teen, I looked for answers when I was wondering if Christianity was true. I did not just throw in the towel and become an agnostic just because of dealing with foolish fundy atheist teenagers. I became and apologetics nerd!
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I really hope I didn't just insult you Teal...
I'm just the kind of person that likes to seek knowledge. I read medical encyclopedias for fun when I was 8....If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!Comment
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My concern about the Christian Music business, for a long time, has been that many people "in the music business" find an audience in Church or Christian concerts or whatever.
It's not necessarily that they're strong Christians seeking to share their faith through music - but in many cases, it's finding an outlet to share their musical talent.
How many musicians got their "start" singing in Church? Then they get well known, and so many seem to use the Christian or Gospel background to "cross over" into secular music.
It never really surprises me when a "successful" Christian musician abandons the faith, or "crosses over" into secular music.
In my own church, I don't encourage anybody to sing or play instruments unless I believe they are doing it as an avenue to share their faith, not their musical talent.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.Comment
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No, not at all - I know I was being stupid (and not reading the Bible wasn't the stupidest partOriginally posted by Christianbookworm View PostWhen I was a teen, I looked for answers when I was wondering if Christianity was true. I did not just throw in the towel and become an agnostic just because of dealing with foolish fundy atheist teenagers. I became and apologetics nerd!
Um... I really hope I didn't just insult you Teal...
I'm just the kind of person that likes to seek knowledge. I read medical encyclopedias for fun when I was 8....
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I learned to read in law journals - and I got an unabridged dictionary for my 12th birthday just like I wanted!
I went to college ta get stooopid!
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One should never stop learning. Right?Originally posted by Teallaura View PostNo, not at all - I know I was being stupid (and not reading the Bible wasn't the stupidest part).
I learned to read in law journals - and I got an unabridged dictionary for my 12th birthday just like I wanted!
I went to college ta get stooopid!If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!Comment
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I have one question after reading your OP, Nick. Who the heck is Marty Sampson?Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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So, yeah, it sounds like was in "Christian music", then managed to cross over into....Originally posted by Teallaura View PostThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.Comment
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"Jesus is my superhero"???? Jesus is infinitely too glorious to be compared to mere superheroes!!!!
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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post "Jesus is my superhero"???? Jesus is infinitely too glorious to be compared to mere superheroes!!!!
Let him show his respect - you'd be surprised how many people would identify with that.
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