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    OK, so I found this ....Why Hillsong Music is Dangerous For Your Church


    Houston, we have a problem!

    Brian Houston, that is. Arguably one of the most influential figures of today’s professing church, Houston, is currently the senior pastor of the worldwide multi-site megachurch known as Hillsong. The church, founded by Houston’s paedophile father, Frank Houston, dominates the contemporary worship music scene, with their songs being played in churches of every denomination around the entire world.


    Popular songs like Oceans and Forever Reign with lyrics like “Spirit lead me, where my trust is without borders,” and “nothing compares to your embrace” fill the IMAG screens of Baptist churches, Methodist churches, Pentecostal churches, Catholic churches–churches of every kind during Sunday morning worship. From raging electric guitars, drums, and professional soloists to small choirs with nothing more than a keyboard and a few singers, the music is emotionally captivating, bringing many to tears and arms lifted high, as they sing out praises to God.

    So what’s not to like?

    First, Hillsong is a cult. Particularly, a cult of personality. In a blog post on Hillsong’s website entitled Five Things That Should Matter to a Worship Leader, one of Hillsong’s foremost worship leaders, Jonathan Douglass writes:

    2. We are about fulfilling our Senior Pastor’s vision (not our own)

    It is so important that as amazing as our creative ideas might be, if they don’t ultimately line up with what our Senior Pastor and leaders want, then we happily put them aside.The church doesn’t exist to build our worship teams… our worship teams exist to build the Church!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Is Hillsong one of the "Jesus is my girlfriend" outfits? Lots of emotion and mood stuff?
    Maybe? It's been at the forefront of praise & worship music for a couple decades, I think. I'm pretty far removed from that now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    Maybe? It's been at the forefront of praise & worship music for a couple decades, I think. I'm pretty far removed from that now.
    Yeah, that's not my thing --- and I just posted something that, if true, is rather concerning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Yeah, that's not my thing --- and I just posted something that, if true, is rather concerning.
    Well, Pulpit & Pen is not an even-handed source; they're the ones who excoriated Hank Hanegraaff for "leaving the Christian faith" when he became Orthodox.
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    Well, Pulpit & Pen is not an even-handed source; they're the ones who excoriated Hank Hanegraaff for "leaving the Christian faith" when he became Orthodox.
    OK - I hereby proudly declare I'm not an authority on contemporary music or the criticism thereof.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    OK - I hereby proudly declare I'm not an authority on contemporary music or the criticism thereof.
    I'm not saying their points aren't valid - I'm no authority on that either - just that their polemics might not be on-point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    I'm not saying their points aren't valid - I'm no authority on that either - just that their polemics might not be on-point.
    Fair enough - we'll see if anybody else knows more than we do, even collectively.
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    Well, Pulpit & Pen is not an even-handed source; they're the ones who excoriated Hank Hanegraaff for "leaving the Christian faith" when he became Orthodox.
    yeah, they tend to be a "only those who fit our narrow definition of Christians are Christians" bunch.

    for example as a Charismatic they consider me to be one of the worst types of heretics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christianbookworm View Post
    I like superheroes, but they are essentially fantastic versions of volunteer emergency services workers. Why cut out the middle man and say Jesus is like a volunteer emergency services worker that came to save the lost. And people should not compare Jesus to a certain fictional environmental refugee.
    It's okay to use appropriate metaphors for God. Otherwise, David would have been wrong to write "the Lord is my shepherd".

    And, to be blunt, Pulpit and Pen is a garbage site that turns Christians against Christians and uses riposte in unjustified circumstances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    It's okay to use appropriate metaphors for God. Otherwise, David would have been wrong to write "the Lord is my shepherd".

    And, to be blunt, Pulpit and Pen is a garbage site that turns Christians against Christians and uses riposte in unjustified circumstances.
    I found their treatment of Nabeel Qureshi particularly distasteful.

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