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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrift View Post
    Here was a comment I left on another Youtube video with similar subject matter, "Not only will no intelligent life ever find it in the vastness of space, but the odds that intelligent alien life will even have the ability to listen to it, never mind the ability/technology to play it, play it at the proper speed, and be able to discern what they're listening to is, well, the odds are more than astronomical. It's a completely ridiculous concept created by people who were more caught up in science fiction than science fact."

    There are soooooooooo many factors to take into consideration when assuming that ETs could ever listen to an album. Not least including that our biology is largely adapted to our environment. Assuming, somehow, that ETs even have the biological mechanisms to perceive sonic vibrations through an atmosphere, it will most likely sound completely distorted in whatever atmosphere it's played in. There's a great podcast called Twenty Thousand Hertz that actually delved into this a bit ago where they simulated what certain things would sound like just on planets within our solar system.

    https://www.20k.org/episodes/space
    What are you talking about? Aliens look just like us but with funny bumps on their foreheads and they all speak english.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrift View Post
    Here was a comment I left on another Youtube video with similar subject matter, "Not only will no intelligent life ever find it in the vastness of space, but the odds that intelligent alien life will even have the ability to listen to it, never mind the ability/technology to play it, play it at the proper speed, and be able to discern what they're listening to is, well, the odds are more than astronomical. It's a completely ridiculous concept created by people who were more caught up in science fiction than science fact."

    There are soooooooooo many factors to take into consideration when assuming that ETs could ever listen to an album. Not least including that our biology is largely adapted to our environment. Assuming, somehow, that ETs even have the biological mechanisms to perceive sonic vibrations through an atmosphere, it will most likely sound completely distorted in whatever atmosphere it's played in. There's a great podcast called Twenty Thousand Hertz that actually delved into this a bit ago where they simulated what certain things would sound like just on planets within our solar system.

    https://www.20k.org/episodes/space
    For intelligent life to develop, their planet would have to be virtually identical to ours, though. Only carbon based life can have the complexity needed for intelligence, and carbon based life can only survive on a planet just like our own.
    Curiosity never hurt anyone. It was stupidity that killed the cat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Who cares though? It's not like the aliens would be able to know the difference or that our cultural differences would matter to them or anyone 40,000+ years from now. They would just be interested that another intelligent species exists out there, and were edible.
    Actually, I don't even think there are aliens to find it - but obstinately this was supposed to represent all of the Earth. Instead, it represents the Earth as Carl Sagan and his friends saw it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    Eh, the sun isn't going to change a whole lot in 40k years. It'll get a tiny bit brighter.

    Diversity would arguably make it more difficult for another civilization to make heads or tails of it; if you're looking to communicate, less is more.
    Granted - but that wasn't what they were actually attempting in the audio/video segments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teallaura View Post
    You really think a narrow cadre will choose well things to represent other cultures? Or even to fully represent their own?

    It's an incredibly narrow window into our world - it was bound to be American centric but by using a narrow group you only get narrower results.


    Of course, big committees are big headaches - but you have to wonder if we showed it to the other cultures back then, would they have been happy with it? Because it's not just a narrow window into our world - it's a narrow window to our past.
    There was a very lited amount they could transmit at the time. Now they could put the complete history of the world, and cover all the cultures and religions of the world on a few computer chips.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    There was a very lited amount they could transmit at the time. Now they could put the complete history of the world, and cover all the cultures and religions of the world on a few computer chips.
    That wasn't at issue.

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    We sent porn into outer space!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faber View Post
    We sent porn into outer space!!!
    It's okay - the aliens won't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QuantaFille View Post
    For intelligent life to develop, their planet would have to be virtually identical to ours, though. Only carbon based life can have the complexity needed for intelligence, and carbon based life can only survive on a planet just like our own.
    Also the thinking could be that any aliens that are alien enough to not understand/decode our messages are aliens we probably could never communicate with anyway, so why not gear our messages to the type of alien that could communicate with us. A kind of "test" built into the message.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    There was a very lited amount they could transmit at the time. Now they could put the complete history of the world, and cover all the cultures and religions of the world on a few computer chips.
    But the idea was to make the message as easy to 'read' as possible. Aliens would not be able to read our "computer chips" - the chances they have developed the same technology as us is very unlikely, and reverse engineering a memory card is nearly impossible because you would have to destroy it to figure out how it works and would lose the data.

    The idea of the record, with instructions on how to build the player and supplying the needle was pretty brilliant.

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