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    Some Thoughts On Gun Violence

    What is at the root of gun violence?

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    What is the real cause of the violence we see in our society? Letís plunge into the Deeper Waters and find out.

    At the start, I will tell you my political persuasion on the issues involving mass shootings. I am the type that is so conservative that I would only fly on planes that have two right wings. I am very much for the second amendment and the right to bear arms. However, when I listen to the gun debate there is something that is missed. I understand it being missed by the secularist mindset, but I donít expect it to be missed by Christians.

    Many times, we hear talk about needing help for mental illness. Itís true I am sure that many people who do the wicked acts of mass shootings could have mental illness. The problem with this is it creates a stigma on mental illness that keeps people with mental illness who would never do something like this from getting help. Imagine what it would be like if whenever the news talked about something like ALS, we also heard it in connection with mass shootings.

    Hereís one of the main problems with this. I am not at all opposed to good therapy and psychiatric medicine. I think such tools are extremely helpful. My wifeís own therapist has said that she thinks everyone should see a therapist and even many therapists see therapists.

    If we paint the problem as mental illness, then the solution would be that if we could eliminate this mental illness, we would eliminate these mass shootings. This overlooks one of the most important Christian doctrines. It assumes that man as he is will not do evil and that if we can just fix that defective part in his brain, we can prevent that.

    But the real problem is not really mental illness, though it can compound that.

    The real problem is sin.

    And we all have it.

    Earlier I said that some people with mental illness would never do something like a mass shooting. I am not recanting that, but I donít think itís entirely accurate. In actuality, I think every single one of us, you and me both, are capable of greater evil than we can imagine.

    Maybe you wouldnít now, but if you were in a position of power, would you take the opportunity? Most of us donít wake up in the morning thinking of some great wrong we want to do. Consider having an affair. Most husbands and wives donít wake up in the morning and say ďI think Iíll ruin my marriage today and have an affair.Ē

    Instead, it starts with the opportunity to have lunch with a co-worker or just talk to someone casually. Before too long, one is looking for more and more opportunities to be with that person. Then suddenly they find themselves meeting one another in a hotel room. The evil just came gradually.

    Itís hard to avoid looking back to Nazi Germany when thinking about this. Look at the evil that they did. We know now it is very easy to lead people to do great evil. Milgram established this with his experiments.

    We donít need to look that far. Consider the abortion industry. We have killed numerous babies in our culture and many people have done so with a clean conscience. This is defended as a moral right. (Ironically, these same people complain about God in the Old Testament putting children to death. Go figure.) This evil has become so normalized many people no longer see it as evil.

    Chesterton once said we donít differ on what we will call evils so much. We differ on what we will call excusable. I really think a lot of gun violence goes back to the sexual revolution and the breakdown of the family. What a shock that many of the evils we tolerate, sex outside of marriage, pornography, abortion, homosexual practice, etc. are all connected to sex. Even now society is trying to make pedophilia more acceptable. Many Christians I know have no problem with the concept of living together before marriage, something Christians for hundreds of years would have condemned immediately.

    Itís easy to blame the problem on many other factors. If we remove violent video games, this will help deal with it! I donít care for many overly violent video games, but at the same time, I am a gamer and one of the most peaceful people I think there is. The overwhelming majority of gamers are not like this.

    Maybe itís guns? Guns can give people a means to do something, but the evil is still there in their heart. Oklahoma City took place with everyday products. 9/11 was done with planes. People have used cars to go on mass rampages. I really donít think gun control laws will work. Such laws will take guns out of the hands of law-abiding citizens while criminals who donít care about the law will use them. If you really donít care about the law against murder, youíre not gonna care about the one against having a gun.

    At the heart, the real issue is sin and we need to return to that. The reality is you and I are both capable of being the next mass shooter. The huge overwhelming majority of us wonít do something like this, but if we dare deny our capability, then we are denying the great evil we have within us. If any of us had the opportunity, we need to be vigilant. One of the surest ways you can fall for an evil is to say it is one you will never commit.

    If the issue is sin, there is only one solution. Christianity. It alone is the means to deal with sin in oneís life. Politics has its purpose, but it cannot save society. Only Jesus can do that.

    In Christ,
    Nick Peters

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apologiaphoenix View Post
    What is at the root of gun violence?

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    What is the real cause of the violence we see in our society? Letís plunge into the Deeper Waters and find out.

    At the start, I will tell you my political persuasion on the issues involving mass shootings. I am the type that is so conservative that I would only fly on planes that have two right wings. I am very much for the second amendment and the right to bear arms. However, when I listen to the gun debate there is something that is missed. I understand it being missed by the secularist mindset, but I donít expect it to be missed by Christians.

    Many times, we hear talk about needing help for mental illness. Itís true I am sure that many people who do the wicked acts of mass shootings could have mental illness. The problem with this is it creates a stigma on mental illness that keeps people with mental illness who would never do something like this from getting help. Imagine what it would be like if whenever the news talked about something like ALS, we also heard it in connection with mass shootings.

    Hereís one of the main problems with this. I am not at all opposed to good therapy and psychiatric medicine. I think such tools are extremely helpful. My wifeís own therapist has said that she thinks everyone should see a therapist and even many therapists see therapists.

    If we paint the problem as mental illness, then the solution would be that if we could eliminate this mental illness, we would eliminate these mass shootings. This overlooks one of the most important Christian doctrines. It assumes that man as he is will not do evil and that if we can just fix that defective part in his brain, we can prevent that.

    But the real problem is not really mental illness, though it can compound that.

    The real problem is sin.

    And we all have it.

    Earlier I said that some people with mental illness would never do something like a mass shooting. I am not recanting that, but I donít think itís entirely accurate. In actuality, I think every single one of us, you and me both, are capable of greater evil than we can imagine.

    Maybe you wouldnít now, but if you were in a position of power, would you take the opportunity? Most of us donít wake up in the morning thinking of some great wrong we want to do. Consider having an affair. Most husbands and wives donít wake up in the morning and say ďI think Iíll ruin my marriage today and have an affair.Ē

    Instead, it starts with the opportunity to have lunch with a co-worker or just talk to someone casually. Before too long, one is looking for more and more opportunities to be with that person. Then suddenly they find themselves meeting one another in a hotel room. The evil just came gradually.

    Itís hard to avoid looking back to Nazi Germany when thinking about this. Look at the evil that they did. We know now it is very easy to lead people to do great evil. Milgram established this with his experiments.

    We donít need to look that far. Consider the abortion industry. We have killed numerous babies in our culture and many people have done so with a clean conscience. This is defended as a moral right. (Ironically, these same people complain about God in the Old Testament putting children to death. Go figure.) This evil has become so normalized many people no longer see it as evil.

    Chesterton once said we donít differ on what we will call evils so much. We differ on what we will call excusable. I really think a lot of gun violence goes back to the sexual revolution and the breakdown of the family. What a shock that many of the evils we tolerate, sex outside of marriage, pornography, abortion, homosexual practice, etc. are all connected to sex. Even now society is trying to make pedophilia more acceptable. Many Christians I know have no problem with the concept of living together before marriage, something Christians for hundreds of years would have condemned immediately.

    Itís easy to blame the problem on many other factors. If we remove violent video games, this will help deal with it! I donít care for many overly violent video games, but at the same time, I am a gamer and one of the most peaceful people I think there is. The overwhelming majority of gamers are not like this.

    Maybe itís guns? Guns can give people a means to do something, but the evil is still there in their heart. Oklahoma City took place with everyday products. 9/11 was done with planes. People have used cars to go on mass rampages. I really donít think gun control laws will work. Such laws will take guns out of the hands of law-abiding citizens while criminals who donít care about the law will use them. If you really donít care about the law against murder, youíre not gonna care about the one against having a gun.

    At the heart, the real issue is sin and we need to return to that. The reality is you and I are both capable of being the next mass shooter. The huge overwhelming majority of us wonít do something like this, but if we dare deny our capability, then we are denying the great evil we have within us. If any of us had the opportunity, we need to be vigilant. One of the surest ways you can fall for an evil is to say it is one you will never commit.

    If the issue is sin, there is only one solution. Christianity. It alone is the means to deal with sin in oneís life. Politics has its purpose, but it cannot save society. Only Jesus can do that.

    In Christ,
    Nick Peters
    Our society is all too eager to paint what is patently evil as mentally ill. If nothing else this is a great disservice to those who really are mentally ill.

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    The solution is Jesus but discipling is needed as well to teach converts the ethical implications of the faith, as Duke Kwon said in the light of the Poway synagogue shooting.
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