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Last edited by Rushing Jaws; 11-30-2019, 06:14 PM.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostSo, handwave followed by handwave. Keep up the good fight, shunya.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeares Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostIt does refer to closeness to an original text, even though we don't have the originals.
Blessings,
LeeGlendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeares Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostFact: No original texts.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. St. John Chrysostom
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostThis was dealt with 4 months ago, upthread. Go back to sleep, Frank.
It was only dealt with by an assertion of belief, and not evidence. It is a fallacy to use the tect to prove the text when there is no evidence.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeares Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostNo it was not, and again NO original texts, and abundant evidence that the text of the gospels represent an evolved edited text, without known author. This true for some of the letters.
It was only dealt with by an assertion of belief, and not evidence. It is a fallacy to use the tect to prove the text when there is no evidence.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. St. John Chrysostom
Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostThis was dealt with, 4 months ago, upthread. Go back to sleep, Frank.
It was only dealt with by an assertion of belief, and not evidence. It is a fallacy to use the text to prove the text when there is no evidence.
Hand waves do not count. This is Archaeology 201, which begs for archaeological evidence.
The objections to the claims of the original video have been made and documented.
1) The New Testament was set in history history of the time, and like all ancient scripture contain known events, people and places, but based on this they cannot be concluded to be completely accurate. Not all events are known by current archaeology evidence of parallel record, such as the timing of census and tax collection recorded in the gospels.
2) There is no reason to believe that those literate writing 100 to 200+ years after Jesus did not know most of the events, places and people of the time of Jesus.
3) All the historical records cited in the video are late, third hand, and of questionable provenance such as Josephus' writings.
3}Absolutely no text has been found within 100 years of the life of Jesus. I am being generous here, because the texts found are even later.Last edited by shunyadragon; 12-19-2019, 08:42 AM.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeares Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostNo it was not, and again NO original texts, and abundant evidence that the text of the gospels represent an evolved edited text, without known author. This true for some of the letters.
It was only dealt with by an assertion of belief, and not evidence. It is a fallacy to use the text to prove the text when there is no evidence.
Hand waves do not count. This is Archaeology 201, which begs for archaeological evidence.
The objections to the claims of the original video have been made and documented.
1) The New Testament was set in history history of the time, and like all ancient scripture contain known events, people and places, but based on this they cannot be concluded to be completely accurate. Not all events are known by current archaeology evidence of parallel record, such as the timing of census and tax collection recorded in the gospels.
2) There is no reason to believe that those literate writing 100 to 200+ years after Jesus did not know most of the events, places and people of the time of Jesus.
3) All the historical records cited in the video are late, third hand, and of questionable provenance such as Josephus' writings.
3}Absolutely no text has been found within 100 years of the life of Jesus. I am being generous here, because the texts found are even later.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. St. John Chrysostom
Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostFor the third time, this was dealt with, 4 months ago, upthread. Repeating your objections doesn't make them any more valid. Go back to sleep, Frank.
No it was not, and again NO original texts, and abundant evidence that the text of the gospels represent an evolved edited text, without known author. This true for some of the letters.
It was only dealt with by an assertion of belief, and not evidence. It is a fallacy to use the text to prove the text when there is no evidence.
Hand waves do not count. This is Archaeology 201, which begs for archaeological evidence.
The objections to the claims of the original video have been made and documented.
1) The New Testament was set in history history of the time, and like all ancient scripture contain known events, people and places, but based on this they cannot be concluded to be completely accurate. Not all events are known by current archaeology evidence of parallel record, such as the timing of census and tax collection recorded in the gospels.
2) There is no reason to believe that those literate writing 100 to 200+ years after Jesus did not know most of the events, places and people of the time of Jesus.
3) All the historical records cited in the video are late, third hand, and of questionable provenance such as Josephus' writings.
3}Absolutely no text has been found within 100 years of the life of Jesus. I am being generous here, because the texts found are even later.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeares Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostShuny, when someone claims to be an eyewitness, we count that as a reference to being an eyewitness.
Bob claims to be an eyewitness and Mary records the account - we have an eyewitness account.
Mark:
Jesus before Pilate.
Pilate: Are you the king of the Jews?
Jesus: You say so.
Accused by Chief Priests.
No answer by Jesus
Pilate astonished.
Matthew as Mark, except that Pilate was greatly astonished.
Luke:
Chief Priests charge Jesus.
Pilate: I find no crime in him.
Chief Priests: Trouble maker from Galilee to Jerusalem.
John:
Before Pilate early on the eve of Passover (not after Passover as in the Synoptics).
Pilate: What is the charge?
Pilate: You judge him.
Jews: We cannot execute.
Pilate: Are you king of the Jews?
Jesus: A kingdom not of the world
Furthermore, why do all four gospel writers give different timings for the trial? Was it on the eve of Passover [John]? Or after Passover[Synoptics]?"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostWhere exactly were the writers of the four canonical gospels hiding during the interrogation with Pilate? Were they all lurking behind the columns clasping their tabulae and stylus? More to the point how did they [and Peter] sneak into the Antonia?
If they were all eyewitnesses why do the four accounts differ?
Furthermore, why do all four gospel writers give different timings for the trial? Was it on the eve of Passover [John]? Or after Passover[Synoptics]?
So it seems there is some agreement.
Blessings,
Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostJesus could have told them after his resurrection.
Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostCold Case Christianity may be of some help here, eyewitness accounts show the event from different perspectives, and the differences may be differences of emphasis.
Originally posted by lee_merrill View Post
Well, here we read:
[cite=Evidence for Christianity] as in Matthew 27:62 he says that the day after the crucifixion was the "one after Preparation Day" (ie preparation day for the Passover."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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