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    Quote Originally Posted by NorrinRadd View Post
    I rarely involve myself in apologetics discussions, and you will see why.

    1) If we're reduced to invoking Henry Morris for support, we're in trouble.

    2) Honestly -- and I'm saying this as a thoroughgoing Trinitarian -- I have never ever heard an analogy, metaphor, parable, whatever that made "logical" sense of either the Trinity or the Incarnation. I can easily see why a rationalist could never be convinced of the doctrine logically, and why such a person would forever remain an infidel, apart from supernatural intervention. (Of course, it would probably be fair to say that NO ONE becomes a believer apart from supernatural intervention.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrift View Post
    Is there discussion among the mods about having him curb the baby talk on the forum? It's pretty trolly behavior, and I believe CP mentioned a thread about it. I suppose I could just set him on ignore, but was just curious if you folks were doing anything about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seeker View Post
    I mean the claims are circular. What evidence from outside can be verified to validate the truth claims? And I am using the usual definition of truth from Philosophy. The only functional definition of truth is the correspondence between mental and supposedly factual contents; that is what I meant by ''truth is the relation between description and that which is described''.
    I'm just going to grant this point, because I don't see what the problem is. Yes, internal discussions of Christian theology are dependent on Christianity being true, and their verification may not be possible on the level of absolute certainty, but how many things are? Whether something can be validated or proved with 100% certainty does not, technically speaking, have anything to do with whether it is true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by demi-conservative View Post
    In hindsight, demi surprised New Atheism had such yuge hype as big threat, cos turned out so very, very shallow.
    You think my post is somehow representative of New Atheism ideas? How did you come to that conclusion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seeker View Post
    You think my post is somehow representative of New Atheism ideas? How did you come to that conclusion?
    Don't bother taking anything demi-conservative says seriously. He's only here to troll.
    "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    Don't bother taking anything demi-conservative says seriously. He's only here to troll.
    He reminds me of the old spaghetti western Indians --- "him in heap big trouble".
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorrinRadd View Post
    I rarely involve myself in apologetics discussions, and you will see why.

    1) If we're reduced to invoking Henry Morris for support, we're in trouble.

    2) Honestly -- and I'm saying this as a thoroughgoing Trinitarian -- I have never ever heard an analogy, metaphor, parable, whatever that made "logical" sense of either the Trinity or the Incarnation. I can easily see why a rationalist could never be convinced of the doctrine logically, and why such a person would forever remain an infidel, apart from supernatural intervention. (Of course, it would probably be fair to say that NO ONE becomes a believer apart from supernatural intervention.)
    I don't like using analogies for the Trinity because they all seem to eventually fall apart. Some are horrible like water, steam and ice.

    I thought Morris's explanation was a place to start.

    Seeker said: "Or it is 1, or it is 3. 1 and 3 at the same time cannot be true."

    We don't know what seeker really means by his statement. Some people think the Trinity is three Gods; it doesn't. Some think "three persons" means three people; it doesn't.

    Seeker needs to clarity what he thinks the concept of the Trinity is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian3 View Post
    I don't like using analogies for the Trinity because they all seem to eventually fall apart. Some are horrible like water, steam and ice.

    I thought Morris's explanation was a place to start.

    Seeker said: "Or it is 1, or it is 3. 1 and 3 at the same time cannot be true."

    We don't know what seeker really means by his statement. Some people think the Trinity is three Gods; it doesn't. Some think "three persons" means three people; it doesn't.

    Seeker needs to clarity what he thinks the concept of the Trinity is.
    Just an aside, I was talking with some pastor friends about expository preaching, and one of them mentioned the notion that, if you only preach expository sermons - going through the Bible book by book, verse by verse -- you will never preach on the Trinity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorrinRadd View Post
    I rarely involve myself in apologetics discussions, and you will see why.

    1) If we're reduced to invoking Henry Morris for support, we're in trouble.
    Just because he was woefully ignorant in matters related to science doesn't mean that he's an idiot about everything else

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    JP Holding's short e-book on the Trinity explains it in a way that even I can understand. (Though the obvious question is that if his interpretation is correct, why did the early church fathers have so much trouble understanding it?)
    "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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