Page 5 of 13 FirstFirst ... 34567 ... LastLast
Results 41 to 50 of 128

Thread: Why put up with the Royals?

  1. #41
    Professor KingsGambit's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    Triangle
    Faith
    Christian
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    10,398
    Amen (Given)
    1705
    Amen (Received)
    4561
    Some people on the libertarian side have used this to argue that God prefers no government, but I don't agree. Under the Old Covenant, God intended to directly intervene in affairs on a day-to-day basis (for example, the trial of bitter water expects such an intervention). Today, we are not promised any sort of micromanagement from God. So I don't see any contradiction between the story of the Israelites wanting a king and where the New Testament says that our leaders are appointed by God. My takeaway from that is that whatever form of government God has ordained, we should not try to overthrow it and start a new one (but that doesn't mean you can't vote incumbents out of office).
    "Technology has, in an enhanced way, given mockers a platform to set society on fire with polarizing speech. Internet culture privileges those whose insults are click bait." - Timothy Keller

  2. #42
    tWebber seer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    New England
    Faith
    Christian
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    24,782
    Amen (Given)
    1672
    Amen (Received)
    5008
    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    My takeaway from that is that whatever form of government God has ordained, we should not try to overthrow it and start a new one (but that doesn't mean you can't vote incumbents out of office).
    So you would disagree with the American revolution?
    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

  3. #43
    Professor KingsGambit's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    Triangle
    Faith
    Christian
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    10,398
    Amen (Given)
    1705
    Amen (Received)
    4561
    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    So you would disagree with the American revolution?
    Yes. Clear violation of Romans 13.
    "Technology has, in an enhanced way, given mockers a platform to set society on fire with polarizing speech. Internet culture privileges those whose insults are click bait." - Timothy Keller

  4. #44
    42nd Mojave Year DesertBerean's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    Barstow, CA
    Faith
    Christian
    Gender
    Female
    Posts
    6,455
    Amen (Given)
    5494
    Amen (Received)
    2143
    I'm not sure it's that cut and dried. People risk their lives to defy government because of the government becoming dangerous to people.

    During the first Bush administration (I think), there were proposed laws that would make the giving of water and food to illegals an act of treason. There was much outcry (and I agreed). One prominent Christian leader in my state declared illegals were humans and to deny them such staples was unChristian and he would go to jail rather than deny them. I hope I don't have to defy the govt in that manner ever.

  5. #45
    Professor KingsGambit's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    Triangle
    Faith
    Christian
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    10,398
    Amen (Given)
    1705
    Amen (Received)
    4561
    Quote Originally Posted by DesertBerean View Post
    I'm not sure it's that cut and dried. People risk their lives to defy government because of the government becoming dangerous to people.

    During the first Bush administration (I think), there were proposed laws that would make the giving of water and food to illegals an act of treason. There was much outcry (and I agreed). One prominent Christian leader in my state declared illegals were humans and to deny them such staples was unChristian and he would go to jail rather than deny them. I hope I don't have to defy the govt in that manner ever.
    There's one person who was arrested this year and is facing 20 years in prison for that.

    I think it is okay to break laws that require you to disobey Scripture, and this law requires you to disobey the Scripture about loving neighbor. Saving lives is okay.
    "Technology has, in an enhanced way, given mockers a platform to set society on fire with polarizing speech. Internet culture privileges those whose insults are click bait." - Timothy Keller

  6. #46
    42nd Mojave Year DesertBerean's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    Barstow, CA
    Faith
    Christian
    Gender
    Female
    Posts
    6,455
    Amen (Given)
    5494
    Amen (Received)
    2143
    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    There's one person who was arrested this year and is facing 20 years in prison for that.

    I think it is okay to break laws that require you to disobey Scripture, and this law requires you to disobey the Scripture about loving neighbor. Saving lives is okay.
    Those laws were never enacted far as I know. What law was that person prosecuted under?

  7. #47
    tWebber Teallaura's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    In my house.
    Faith
    Christian
    Gender
    Female
    Posts
    14,541
    Amen (Given)
    8397
    Amen (Received)
    5366
    Source: Daily Mail

    He's one of at least five No More Deaths volunteers to be prosecuted by federal law enforcement officials since the Trump administration began arresting the southern border humanitarian activists in 2017.

    The two migrant men Warren was arrested with showed up at No More Deaths' base of operations in Ajo, known as 'the Barn,' as Warren was arriving back from a grocery store, according to Tuscon.com.
    The men said they'd only consumed sports drinks and a burrito during their grueling two-day trek across the desert region. Warren cooked them a meal, gave them clothes and let them reside at the Barn for three days before US Border Patrol agents arrived and arrested all three of them.

    Source

    © Copyright Original Source



    He's being charged under different laws.

    Source: Daily Mail


    US Attorney Nathaniel Walters said Warren's case 'is not about humanitarian aid,' but rather about whether or not Warren 'intended to violate the law,' by shielding Perez-Villanueva and Sacaria-Goday from border patrol agents.
    'No More Deaths is not on trial. Scott Warren is,' Walters said.

    Source

    © Copyright Original Source






  8. Amen NorrinRadd amen'd this post.
  9. #48
    42nd Mojave Year DesertBerean's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    Barstow, CA
    Faith
    Christian
    Gender
    Female
    Posts
    6,455
    Amen (Given)
    5494
    Amen (Received)
    2143
    Ah ok. I believe the proposed law or laws back then said that even providing food and water would be considered treason. What they were aiming at, if memory serves, were people leaving water out where the illegals were. To me that's a far cry from aiding and comforting enemies.

  10. Amen NorrinRadd amen'd this post.
  11. #49
    tWebber NorrinRadd's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2016
    Location
    Wayne Township, PA
    Faith
    Full Gospel Christian
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    1,824
    Amen (Given)
    2369
    Amen (Received)
    692
    It baffles me when people here in the U.S. are all gaga and googly-eyed over the royals. We fought a revolution to get shed of those freakin' inbred clowns!
    Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.

    Beige Nationalist.

    "Everybody is somebody's heretic."

  12. #50
    tWebber NorrinRadd's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2016
    Location
    Wayne Township, PA
    Faith
    Full Gospel Christian
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    1,824
    Amen (Given)
    2369
    Amen (Received)
    692
    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    That is a fallacy. Using that logic, we should avoid sex because the angels in heaven are asexual, yet God said be fruitful and multiply.
    Do we know that? I know Scripture says they "neither marry nor are given in marriage." I don't recall anything about whether they have sex.
    Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.

    Beige Nationalist.

    "Everybody is somebody's heretic."

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •