The irony of the New York Times’ 1619 Project...

[firstfloor]

Thanks for the recommend. Now I know I can safely find something else to listen to.

US democracy was perfected by black people.

[Sam]

It doesn't seem fair to have KingsGambit having to defend the ambiguous use of a reference so I'll jump back in for a second:

The current administration's policies toward immigrants and asylum seekers, even and much more than that of administrations before it, is predicated not only on unwelcoming inhospitality but on violence. Whether we're talking about the kidnapping of children from families, the inhumane detention of asylum-seekers, the cruel 'metering' bottleneck intended to leave immigrants stranded along a dangerous Mexican border, or the mental, physical, and sexual abuses rife in such settings, we are talking about a nation that is not only unwelcoming toward poor and needy strangers but violent against them.

It is shameful to all Christians that this even needs explained or that it is considered a matter of partisan debate. Sodom's sin was violent. So, too, is America's.

--Sam

"Haughty and doing detestable things" would not seem to me to exclude violent acts. Seer calling the banality of reducing the charge to "inhospitality" drivel is absolutely in line; it does not begin to cover the error of the cities' ways, and is a deliberate attempt to obfuscate the charges against them.

[One Bad Pig]

It doesn't seem fair to have KingsGambit having to defend the ambiguous use of a reference so I'll jump back in for a second:

The current administration's policies toward immigrants and asylum seekers, even and much more than that of administrations before it, is predicated not only on unwelcoming inhospitality but on violence. Whether we're talking about the kidnapping of children from families, the inhumane detention of asylum-seekers, the cruel 'metering' bottleneck intended to leave immigrants stranded along a dangerous Mexican border, or the mental, physical, and sexual abuses rife in such settings, we are talking about a nation that is not only unwelcoming toward poor and needy strangers but violent against them.

It is shameful to all Christians that this even needs explained or that it is considered a matter of partisan debate. Sodom's sin was violent. So, too, is America's.

--Sam

Yes, how dare the US government treat the border as something at all meaningful! For shame!!!!

The border situation has exactly nothing to do with biblical notions of hospitality, which were applicable to temporarily welcoming a reasonable number of people.

I'm guessing that you wouldn't welcome everyone who wanted to take up residence in your house either, which is a better approximation to the border problem.

[rogue06]

Yes, how dare the US government treat the border as something at all meaningful! For shame!!!!

The border situation has exactly nothing to do with biblical notions of hospitality, which were applicable to temporarily welcoming a reasonable number of people.

I'm guessing that you wouldn't welcome everyone who wanted to take up residence in your house either, which is a better approximation to the border problem.

Temporarily is the operative word.

[Zymologist]

I waffled a good bit on whether or not to post this, but...

I hope the irony of a pro-choice, gay-affirming Christian talking about chucking Bibles at people's heads and chiding other Christians over obvious Scriptural principles is not lost on anyone.

[Sam]

Not pro-choice; recognition of a constitutional right does not earn the designation of "pro". Similar to how the recognition of free speech doesn't make one "pro" libel.

But I hope those who find irony in a "pro-choice", LGBTQ-affirming Christian chiding others over obvious Scriptural principles will at least examine whether they are upholding those obvious Scriptural principles or supporting those who would disregard and disobey them. Plenty of other people are paying attention.

--Sam

I waffled a good bit on whether or not to post this, but...

I hope the irony of a pro-choice, gay-affirming Christian talking about chucking Bibles at people's heads and chiding other Christians over obvious Scriptural principles is not lost on anyone.

[Zymologist]

Not pro-choice; recognition of a constitutional right does not earn the designation of "pro". Similar to how the recognition of free speech doesn't make one "pro" libel.

But I hope those who find irony in a "pro-choice", LGBTQ-affirming Christian chiding others over obvious Scriptural principles will at least examine whether they are upholding those obvious Scriptural principles or supporting those who would disregard and disobey them. Plenty of other people are paying attention.

--Sam

Oh, I think your second paragraph is perfectly fair. I have no particular allegiance to the Trump administration, and I have no doubt that many legitimate criticisms could and should be leveled on a variety of subjects. Just me being somewhat obnoxious.

[Sam]

Oh, I think your second paragraph is perfectly fair. I have no particular allegiance to the Trump administration, and I have no doubt that many legitimate criticisms could and should be leveled on a variety of subjects. Just me being somewhat obnoxious.

And bless you for that; now that Bret Stephens-bedbug Twitter is over, we have to find ways to fill the void.

[demi-conservative]

The current administration's policies toward immigrants and asylum seekers, even and much more than that of administrations before it, is predicated not only on unwelcoming inhospitality but on violence.

It is shameful to all Christians that this even needs explained or that it is considered a matter of partisan debate

Any stable state is predicated on violence, because laws need to be enforced, with force or threat of it. It is shameful that this requires an explanation, let alone that a Christian needs it.

"But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer."

[Mountain Man]

Temporarily is the operative word.

Also law-abiding.

[Mountain Man]

Any stable state is predicated on violence, because laws need to be enforced, with force or threat of it. It is shameful that this requires an explanation, let alone that a Christian needs it.

"But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer."

This is the Jesus Sam worships...

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[lilpixieofterror]

Not pro-choice; recognition of a constitutional right does not earn the designation of "pro". Similar to how the recognition of free speech doesn't make one "pro" libel.

But I hope those who find irony in a "pro-choice", LGBTQ-affirming Christian chiding others over obvious Scriptural principles will at least examine whether they are upholding those obvious Scriptural principles or supporting those who would disregard and disobey them. Plenty of other people are paying attention.

--Sam

I love the unintended irony, in this statement.

[oxmixmudd]

I waffled a good bit on whether or not to post this, but...

I hope the irony of a pro-choice, gay-affirming Christian talking about chucking Bibles at people's heads and chiding other Christians over obvious Scriptural principles is not lost on anyone.

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[oxmixmudd]

This is the Jesus Sam worships...

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My observation would be that sam actually applies far more of the actual teachings of Christ to his behavior here on TWEB than many others here who pass judgement on him.

Jim

[Mountain Man]

My observation would be that sam actually applies far more of the actual teachings of Christ to his behavior here on TWEB than many others here who pass judgement on him.

Jim

That's because you worship the same false Messiah.