Trump proclaims himself 'the chosen one' and tweets claims he is 'the messiah'

[Adrift]

I think that's the point -- when Obama spoke in terms that could remotely be considered "Messianic", the media and celebrities fell all over themselves in near worship.

When Trump uses a phrase indicating he's the "chose one" to deal with a specific problem, they're ready to drag him outside the gates and stone him.

I'm not hip to news media, but the websites that rogue is citing these "lights coming down" bits from don't sound at all messianic. They sound very hostile to Obama. It seems to me to be the same left/right nitpicks in order to score cheap rhetorical points that is the norm in politics. And depending on the administration, people are both going to either adore or despise the president. Though I do think that this particular president has deepened that divide.

[Adrift]

I take it as him saying that his ideas are right and good, but it is up to him to express them in a way that helps others to realize it. But he uses language that can imply God or heaven itself is the one opening the eyes of the person to help them see that his ideas are true. So he is clearly seeing himself as a messenger of absolute truth, and I can see that would be very concerning to those that don't see his message that way.

I mean, I still have to hear it in context, but I think it's pushing it to suggest that Obama is using language to directly imply God or heaven. I mean, in a round about way, maybe, but I'm pretty certain these last two presidents aren't very religious. They're not using religious language because they think there's anything sacred in it. It's religious language secularized by the age and used with poetic license. Obama's use of "light coming down" is something that wouldn't at all be out of place in a room with a charismatic teacher or marketing exec as they're attempting to convince/sell their audience on expected returns. Or better yet, it sounds exactly like the sort of speech you'd expect a charismatic lawyer in a movie or TV show to tell the jury in his opening statements (which makes perfect sense for a guy who went to law school).

But its still at least a few steps down from embracing and internalizing the idea one is 'the chosen one'. And Obama in general is approaching all of these things as a group effort, with himself occupying more of a civil servant role in implementing these things, as opposed to Trump's view of himself as THE implementer and mover, a king like point of view.

One can also argue for each it is figurative language and does not reflect actual beliefs about themselves, but no matter how you slice it, Trump takes it farther. And Trump discards all the baggage of it being some sort of group effort, always edging more and more towards a supreme ruler conceptualization of the presidency.

This isn't intended as a defense of Trump, but the guy made a living by self promotion. He is his own brand. He is what he sold investors for decades. So it doesn't surprise me in the least that a man who has made a living on selling the name "TRUMP" isn't super interested in sharing the glory.

[One Bad Pig]

Im done with you in this thread. This is getting personal, and i will not go there anymore.

Jim

Thank you.

[Tassman]

The MSM were some of the biggest supporters of his being some sort of Messiah

Links please.

When even Snopes calls B.S. on the Trump calling himself the "chosen one" being a serious statement and not done "tongue-in-cheek" (their description) even you should pay attention.

He wanted to believe it. Otherwise why would he quote a nutty radio host, who claimed Jewish people admired the U.S. president so greatly that it was as though Trump were the King of Israel. Or that he was the second coming of Christ? The obvious thing would have been to ignore such nonsense or overtly dismiss it for the crap that it was.

[rogue06]

Links please.

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...l=1#post663764

[Tassman]

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...l=1#post663764

That must be why Obama's approval ratings were consistently higher than Trump's.

[rogue06]

That must be why Obama's approval ratings were consistently higher than Trump's.

I guess that's your bizarre and twisted way of admitting that the MSM did see Obama as being the Obamessiah

And, as usual, you are wrong. There have been several times that Trump's approval ratings were higher than Obama's at the same time period of their presidencies -- most notably around the time that Obamacare was being pushed through. And that's quite a feat considering how the MSM acted as a Praetorian Guard for Obama, screening out any and all criticism (proclaiming that any disagreements over policy was racist) and heaping lavish praise on him in comparison to the 24/7 attacks on any and everything Trump does.

[rogue06]

I'd like to see those comments taken into context in a speech. "A light coming down" phrasing doesn't strike me as especially Messianic. It's not much different than saying something like, "a light bulb will go on above your head."

His choice of linking it to the term "epiphany" seems mighty telling. Even liberal sources like Slate referred to it as "Obama’s Cocky Messianism" And look at the CNN transcript of a video if you want more context

[Tassman]

I guess that's your bizarre and twisted way of admitting that the MSM did see Obama as being the Obamessiah

Leaving aside your standard tu quoque logical fallacy (but, but, but, whatabout Obama/Hillary) Trump is the president with the lowest average approval rating of all U.S. presidents of all time. “Although Trump’s approval rating hasn’t dipped lower than past U.S. presidents, he is also the first to never have an approval rating exceed 50%”.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rachels.../#56751ec513f8

[Mountain Man]

Leaving aside your standard tu quoque logical fallacy (but, but, but, whatabout Obama/Hillary) Trump is the president with the lowest average approval rating of all U.S. presidents of all time. “Although Trump’s approval rating hasn’t dipped lower than past U.S. presidents, he is also the first to never have an approval rating exceed 50%”.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rachels.../#56751ec513f8

Which is pretty impressive when you consider the extreme measures the media has taken to suppress President Trump's popularity as much as they possibly can. One wonders how high his approval rating would be if they spent more time covering his many considerable accomplishments, or even gave him the same fawning 24/7 praise they lavished on Obama!

[oxmixmudd]

Which is pretty impressive when you consider the extreme measures the media has taken to suppress President Trump's popularity as much as they possibly can. One wonders how high his approval rating would be if they spent more time covering his many considerable accomplishments, or even gave him the same fawning 24/7 praise they lavished on Obama!

I thought about this as well MM. this is one of those where it is not at all clear who or what is driving the cart.Trump is so over the top, and in many cases so obscene that he is going to get more negstive publicity than any other president. Yet reporting these ridiculous things in the news is going to make those people not completely committed to the man less happy with him.

So is it Trump, or is it reporting what Trump does, or is it media bias over emphasising the negative things trump does? Does the media over emphasize what trump does, or is he so over the top that it only feels like that , especially to those that are blind to the deep outrage his excess evokes in those not inclined to dismiss or excuse it.

Jim

[Cow Poke]

So is it Trump, or is it reporting what Trump does, or is it media bias over emphasising the negative things trump does?

Yes.

[Mountain Man]

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[Tassman]

Which is pretty impressive when you consider the extreme measures the media has taken to suppress President Trump's popularity as much as they possibly can.

Really. You're easily fooled.

One wonders how high his approval rating would be if they spent more time covering his many considerable accomplishments, or even gave him the same fawning 24/7 praise they lavished on Obama

The Murdoch's and the Mercer's, vis-a-vis Fox and Breitbart et al, more than take up the slack...as the 'bitter and twisted' Trump supporters perceive it to be...when it comes to "fawning" over Trump.

[rogue06]

The Murdoch's and the Mercer's, vis-a-vis Fox and Breitbart et al, more than take up the slack

Ah yes. A bucket of water is equivalent to an ocean