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    Quote Originally Posted by firstfloor View Post
    Trying to avoid stigmatization is a good idea if rehabilitation is the goal.
    I trust that you'll avoid terms like "racist," "Nazi," "white supremacist," etc., given this reasoning.
    I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zymologist View Post
    I trust that you'll avoid terms like "racist," "Nazi," "white supremacist," etc., given this reasoning.
    But all those are legitimate synonyms for Trump and those who voted for him. At least that's what CNN told me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    Hmmm... the law says that convicted felons can't vote it says nothing about "justice involved persons." Sounds like the Dems are trying to expand their voter base.
    State law would supersede city law (and definitions thereof) so presumably SF's silly definitions wouldn't be applicable in voting.
    "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    State law would supersede city law (and definitions thereof) so presumably SF's silly definitions wouldn't be applicable in voting.
    Well, depends - might be at the city level - I'm not familiar with California's enfranchisement laws (and don't wanna know) so it's possible (even though unlikely).

    More likely they are hoping to influence the rest of the state.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zymologist View Post
    I trust that you'll avoid terms like "racist," "Nazi," "white supremacist," etc., given this reasoning.
    Your trust is misplaced.
    “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
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    Quote Originally Posted by firstfloor View Post
    Your trust is misplaced.
    Pssst! Your hypocrisy is showing!

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    I think ex-felons should be allowed to vote anyway. Once you've paid your debt to society, I see no reason why your constitutional rights should be restored. You're sentenced to ten years in prison, not ten years plus being a second class citizen for the rest of your life. (I know the text of the Fifteenth Amendment allows for this practice, but I'm thinking philosophically).

    San Francisco's policy here is absolutely insane, though.
    "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    I think ex-felons should be allowed to vote anyway. Once you've paid your debt to society, I see no reason why your constitutional rights should be restored. You're sentenced to ten years in prison, not ten years plus being a second class citizen for the rest of your life. (I know the text of the Fifteenth Amendment allows for this practice, but I'm thinking philosophically).

    San Francisco's policy here is absolutely insane, though.
    I think they should have a means to have rights restored - but not be granted them until they have demonstrated they can function as law abiding citizens. Because if they can't, it's in their best interest to vote against any enforcement of law. This is a real thing and has destroyed communities where voters have become either too wary or contemptuous of law enforcement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teallaura View Post
    I think they should have a means to have rights restored - but not be granted them until they have demonstrated they can function as law abiding citizens. Because if they can't, it's in their best interest to vote against any enforcement of law. This is a real thing and has destroyed communities where voters have become either too wary or contemptuous of law enforcement.
    It's a reasonable stance. At the very least, there needs to be some sort of method for restoration. The status quo in some states of having to beg an outgoing president to pardon you isn't viable.
    "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    I think ex-felons should be allowed to vote anyway. Once you've paid your debt to society, I see no reason why your constitutional rights should be restored. You're sentenced to ten years in prison, not ten years plus being a second class citizen for the rest of your life. (I know the text of the Fifteenth Amendment allows for this practice, but I'm thinking philosophically).

    San Francisco's policy here is absolutely insane, though.
    Do you think they should also have their right to own firearms restored as well?

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