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    National Popular Vote Interstate Compact Suffers Setback

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    In a major blow to state-by-state progressive efforts to effectively replace the Electoral College with a nationwide popular vote, a federal appeals court ruled on Tuesday that presidential electors in the Electoral College have the absolute right to vote for presidential candidates of their choice.

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    Translation: states cannot tell electors how to vote. With no legal binding, electors can vote for their party's candidate instead of the candidate specified by the state.

    And yeah, it affects winner take all states (48) - or would if it were the Supreme Court instead of a District Court. As it stands, it affects the Southwest.

    Not likely to go to the Court this year - but it mucks up efforts to award all votes to the nationally popular candidate.

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    I don't like the result of the ruling; not because of anything to with the compact, but because it stops states from doing anything about faithless electors (which I don't think are good for the process).
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    I don't like the result of the ruling; not because of anything to with the compact, but because it stops states from doing anything about faithless electors (which I don't think are good for the process).
    I'm more wondering if, under this ruling's logic, states even have the right to be 'winner take all'.

    Faithless electors have not yet been a factor in any outcome - granted, it could happen but it's so unlikely that I'm not sure it matters.

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    'we are not democracy, but democratic republic!!!! we have representatives!!!, cos rule of mob bad!'. Then 'why is there 'faithless electors???'

    Either representatives just puppets of 'rule of mob', or no 'rule of mob' and they can vote how they want.
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    The ruling seems to be in keeping with the original intent of the Constitution. In that case, there is no such thing as "faithless" in the commonly understood sense. The Electors were not intended to be mindless avatars helplessly carrying out the *will* of the people, they were supposed to be Better and Smarter than the Great Unwashed, and would act according to their own view of the *best interests* of the people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teallaura View Post
    Source: Fox News



    In a major blow to state-by-state progressive efforts to effectively replace the Electoral College with a nationwide popular vote, a federal appeals court ruled on Tuesday that presidential electors in the Electoral College have the absolute right to vote for presidential candidates of their choice.

    Source

    © Copyright Original Source



    Translation: states cannot tell electors how to vote. With no legal binding, electors can vote for their party's candidate instead of the candidate specified by the state.

    And yeah, it affects winner take all states (48) - or would if it were the Supreme Court instead of a District Court. As it stands, it affects the Southwest.

    Not likely to go to the Court this year - but it mucks up efforts to award all votes to the nationally popular candidate.
    Well then states can't make their electors follow their state popular vote either.

    Or to put it another way, they can use the same system to get their electors to follow the country's popular vote as they now do to get them to follow their state's popular vote. Get them to swear to doing so under oath. It's not a 100% guarantee but that is the way it works now.

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    It was always a scheme to ignore the will of voters in an individual state if they happened to vote contrary to the rest of the country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    It was always a scheme to ignore the will of voters in an individual state if they happened to vote contrary to the rest of the country.
    Yup. And if my state did that, I think the voters would be in an uproar and the idjuts who legislated such a thing would be out on their ears come next election, or there might even be some lynchings.

    I think they actually should change the law to say that the electors have to vote the popular vote in their state. Otherwise you have idiotic schemes like this coming up, or you could end up with electors conspiring to go against the popular vote of the state and the country. They could have conceivably all voted for Jill Stein and it would have been legal.

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    Or go back to the way it used to be where electors were selected by the state governments. At least then we might get away from idiots voting for the guy who promises the most free stuff.
    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorrinRadd View Post
    The ruling seems to be in keeping with the original intent of the Constitution. In that case, there is no such thing as "faithless" in the commonly understood sense. The Electors were not intended to be mindless avatars helplessly carrying out the *will* of the people, they were supposed to be Better and Smarter than the Great Unwashed, and would act according to their own view of the *best interests* of the people.
    Exactly point of demi's.

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