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Thread: ‘Global Temperature’ — Why Should We Trust A Statistic That Might Not Even Exist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    And thus fullfilling your quota for the month.
    Actually, I had one last week, too, but next week starts a whole 'nuther month!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    And I consider myself to be pretty much on the fence about this. I tend to be somewhat skeptical of what both sides claim.
    Same here. That gets us the "climate denier" label, however.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Actually, I had one last week, too, but next week starts a whole 'nuther month!
    Did it hurt?
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    Did it hurt?
    Laughing.... when I have a GOOD idea (come on, it happens) I always say "It HURTS to be this smart".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Laughing.... when I have a GOOD idea (come on, it happens) I always say "It HURTS to be this smart".
    So... only once a decade or so?

    I'm always still in trouble again

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    So... only once a decade or so?
    Then you have a lot of catching up to do!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Except it's not the same measurement. There are far fewer temperature stations now than in years past, many of those stations are no longer optimally placed due to urban expansion, huge swaths of the earth have no temperature stations (notably many of the earth's coldest regions), and the data, including the historic record, has been "adjusted" so many times that it is now thoroughly corrupted and untrustworthy.
    It is the same measurement MM in all the ways that matter. No it is not a measurement made from exactly the same set of stations for the last 100 years, but to think that invalidates the results is ignorance. We have better ways of assessing the global temperature today than we did. Better stations, better compensating algorithms, more comprehensive data sets and sources - e.g. satellite data. Care is taken to make the global average the most accurate measurement possible year over year, including compensations for know biases in older data, which produces things that are hard to understand for some like Time Of Measurement Bias adjustments and the like. Oversimplified statements like the above simply don't reflect reality in any meaningful way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    Same here. That gets us the "climate denier" label, however.
    No it doesn't, not from me anyway. But if you post nutcases pseudo-science, I will point out what what you posted is nutcase pseudo-science.


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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    It is the same measurement MM in all the ways that matter. No it is not a measurement made from exactly the same set of stations for the last 100 years, but to think that invalidates the results is ignorance.
    What invalidates the results is the amount of "massaging" that has to be done to paper over the numerous coverage gaps, and how the historic record has been irreparably corrupted by arbitrary "adjustments" designed to fit the hypothesis rather than adjusting the hypothesis to fit the data.
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