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‘Global Temperature’ — Why Should We Trust A Statistic That Might Not Even Exist?
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostPlanet Earth is a system in near equilibrium, irradiated by the Sun. if you think that the average temperature fluctuates, where does the heat go? Bear in mind that tiny differences in global average temperatures represent vast amounts of heat simply because the masses are equally enormous."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostPlanet Earth is a system in near equilibrium, irradiated by the Sun. if you think that the average temperature fluctuates, where does the heat go? Bear in mind that tiny differences in global average temperatures represent vast amounts of heat simply because the masses are equally enormous.
If you have, say, lead and helium in a chamber, with a constant amount of heat in the chamber, you could have a widely varying measure of average temperature by varying the distribution of heat.
E.g. if you start off with warm helium and cold lead (same mass of each) the average temperature of the two will rise as heat flows from the helium to the lead--because the rise in lead temperature will be much greater than the fall in helium temperature. While the chamber's average temperature is rising, it could also at the same time be losing heat to its surroundings. How meaningful would it be to say "the chamber's" temperature is rising while it is losing heat?
Also the average temperature is not of the whole planet, but part of it (e.g. ground-level measures of air temperature?). With different distributions of heat, the lower-atmosphere temperature could vary, with the Planet Earth having the same amount of heat.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThe average temperature on the moon is around 10F
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Joel View PostWhat about specific heat?
If you have, say, lead and helium in a chamber, with a constant amount of heat in the chamber, you could have a widely varying measure of average temperature by varying the distribution of heat.
E.g. if you start off with warm helium and cold lead (same mass of each) the average temperature of the two will rise as heat flows from the helium to the lead--because the rise in lead temperature will be much greater than the fall in helium temperature. While the chamber's average temperature is rising, it could also at the same time be losing heat to its surroundings. How meaningful would it be to say "the chamber's" temperature is rising while it is losing heat?
Also the average temperature is not of the whole planet, but part of it (e.g. ground-level measures of air temperature?). With different distributions of heat, the lower-atmosphere temperature could vary, with the Planet Earth having the same amount of heat.
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostYou aren't making sense. Assuming external validity - which was what I questioned - the IPCC seems pretty convinced that there are indeed fluctuations. Assuming no external validity, what does this have to do with the price of tea in China?
Predicting surface temperatures is difficult because of the complexity of the earth’s surface and the dynamics of the atmosphere and the oceans. Measurements are subject to all sorts of potential errors and difficulties but they are good enough to bear witness to the predicted trends. To make sense of the details you need to grasp the fundamentals, and that is understanding how the atmosphere works as insulation. That part is not controversial and it tells you unambiguously that the biosphere must be warming.“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostPlanet Earth is a system in near equilibrium, irradiated by the Sun. if you think that the average temperature fluctuates, where does the heat go? Bear in mind that tiny differences in global average temperatures represent vast amounts of heat simply because the masses are equally enormous.Last edited by lilpixieofterror; 08-27-2019, 06:53 AM."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
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Originally posted by rogue06 View Post[ATTACH=CONFIG]39378[/ATTACH]
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostRogue, you are smarter than this.
Jim
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostDid you check your sense of humor at the door?Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostRight... that must be why a significant number of scientists and statisticians reject the global warming hypothesis, and the "consensus" is a load of crap.
You can find .1% of any population that holds a contrarian opinion. It's just human nature MM
The test is can this tiny percentage make a valid scientific case for their contrarian views that can persuade some significant subset of the other 99.9% on its scientific soundness and robustness. And the answer is no.
JimLast edited by oxmixmudd; 08-27-2019, 08:02 AM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by dirtfloor View PostMeasurements are subject to all sorts of potential errors and difficulties but they are good enough to bear witness to the predicted trends.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostDid you check your sense of humor at the door?
JimLast edited by oxmixmudd; 08-27-2019, 07:31 AM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostEspecially when they are arbitrarily "adjusted" to align with the preferred hypothesis!
First, a significant warming signal exists in the raw data - unadjusted.
Second, the same signal exists in the adjusted USHCN as exists in the unadjusted USCRN.
https://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/ful...H-D-14-00172.1
from the above:
USHCN vs USCRN.jpeg
MM - grow up and learn about what the actual data is before you say stupid things that mislead others.
JimLast edited by oxmixmudd; 08-27-2019, 07:39 AM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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