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A Literal Adam And Eve?

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  • #16
    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Maybe I just don't run in those circles.
    I've seen it espoused many times on TWeb.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by seer View Post
      What about Paul's view of sin - in Adam we all died? And that sin entered the world through one man? Those seem pretty explicit.
      Seem pretty explicit to me as well, but different thinkers have twists on it (did we only inherit the consequence of Adam's sin, or did we inherit the guilt of his sin as well). And then there are those who hold views on Adam and Eve that may not be as literal as you like, but are not metaphorical or poetic in nature either, and/or that require contextual queues that you might miss in a rigid literal reading. For instance, some suggest that Adam and Eve were not the first humans per se, but rather were the first humans created in God's image.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
        I've seen it espoused many times on TWeb.
        Yeah, and I generally don't get involved - I shouldn't have in this one, but it was a slow day.
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Adrift View Post
          ... some suggest that Adam and Eve were not the first humans per se, but rather were the first humans created in God's image.
          That's the argument I'm used to seeing.
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Adrift View Post
            For instance, some suggest that Adam and Eve were not the first humans per se, but rather were the first humans created in God's image.
            So does that mean Eve is not the mother of all living, or that all men did not die in Adam? Or did those other humans (non-image bearers of God) just die off by Paul's day?
            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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            • #21
              Originally posted by seer View Post
              So does that mean Eve is not the mother of all living
              Even there we need to be careful of being overly literal since Mary Eve is definitely not the mother of everything alive unless you believe that everything from birds to octopi are her descendants.
              Last edited by rogue06; 08-27-2019, 01:59 PM.

              I'm always still in trouble again

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              • #22
                Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                Even there we need to be careful of being overly literal since Mary is definitely not the mother of everything alive unless you believe that everything from birds to octopi are her descendants.
                Mary?
                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                  Mary?
                  Oops.

                  I'm always still in trouble again

                  "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                  "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                  "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                    Oops.
                    But she was the mother of the very most special human ever, so...
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                      Even there we need to be careful of being overly literal since Mary Eve is definitely not the mother of everything alive unless you believe that everything from birds to octopi are her descendants.
                      Well it would include all humans because she wouldn't give birth to birds...
                      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by seer View Post
                        Well it would include all humans because she wouldn't give birth to birds...
                        Exactly, but an overly literal reading of "the mother of all living" would mean she was the mother of all life.

                        I'm always still in trouble again

                        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                        "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                        "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                          Exactly, but an overly literal reading of "the mother of all living" would mean she was the mother of all life.
                          So she is not the mother of all humans?
                          Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by seer View Post
                            So she is not the mother of all humans?
                            Is that what you get from what I posted?

                            I'm always still in trouble again

                            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                            "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by seer View Post
                              So she is not the mother of all humans?
                              He's talking about life in general - a literal translation "the mother of all living". Birds have life, and are living.
                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                                Is that what you get from what I posted?
                                That is what I'm asking you. Is she the mother of all humans?
                                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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