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Here in the Philosophy forum we will talk about all the "why" questions. We'll have conversations about the way in which philosophy and theology and religion interact with each other. Metaphysics, ontology, origins, truth? They're all fair game so jump right in and have some fun! But remember...play nice!
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"I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostI'm not sure I quite understand the question. Jesus is a person in the Godhead. Ben Witherington goes into this a bit in Psalms Old and New: Exegesis, Intertextuality, and Hermeneutics
"Jesus has modified the thought in the psalm, which does not depict Yahweh as a female creature, so that on Jesus's lips it now reads "Jerusalem, Jerusalem . . . how often have I desired to gather your children as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing!" Contrast this with "his pinions under his wings" in the psalm. This is because Jesus is presenting himself as Wisdom/Hokma, a female figure here, in contrast to Yahweh, a male figure."
I think you're going a bit overboard - to have a feminine quality doesn't necessarily mean you are presenting yourself as a female figure.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostSo is saying that God is our father, though.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostAgain, evolution is what it is, but that god did it is simply your desired belief. I'm sure that if a god existed and wanted us to know with certainty of his/her/its existence, then with certainty we'd know. Don't you think!"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by JimL View PostBetter go re-read them."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWell, sure, but you yourself made the point that in His incarnate form, He was male, yes? I don't think it's wrong to distinguish between the Person of the Godhead who took on flesh while He was on the earth and the pre-existant Christ.
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI think you're going a bit overboard - to have a feminine quality doesn't necessarily mean you are presenting yourself as a female figure.
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostEven so, that passage says "you cannot see my face, for man shall not see me and live." That warning would make no sense if there was literally nothing possible to see.
And we commonly use sight for an analogy of experiencing things that can't actually be seen, like the future.
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Last edited by DesertBerean; 09-06-2019, 11:56 PM."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostNo, I misspoke pretty badly. There are too many NT Scriptures that maintain that God is spirit in form. I believe these Old Testament manifestations in physical form nonetheless did represent God as opposed to being written off as anthromorphisms.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostBut in that prophetic speech to the Pharisees, was Jesus referring to himself in the incarnate form, or was he referring to himself in his pre-incarnate form as a member of the Godhead? I think the fact that he's drawing on Wisdom language, the clear reference back to Psalm 91:4, and Jerusalem's killing of its prophets seems to suggest as much.
If I'm going overboard, then I'm in good company with the likes of Ben Witherington.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostAtheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostWhy would you joke about something so blasphemous to begin with?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostBecause I say stupid things?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postsure.
First let's see what Seer said:
You then said,
Now let's look at the verses you quoted:
Gen 7:5-6
5 And Noah did all that the Lord commanded him. 6 Noah was 600 years old when the floodwaters engulfed the earth
[5- Noah does good. Not sure what verse 6 has to do with it]
Gen 9:21 When he drank some of the wine, he got drunk and uncovered himself inside his tent.
[Noah does bad]
How does that disagree with what Seer said that man has an inherent nature to do bad (and good?)
"When the lord found how great was mans wickedness on earth, and how no desire his heart conceived was ever anything but evil he regretted that he had made man on earth, and his heart was grieved."
And Genesis 8:21
"Never again will I doom the earth because of man, [since the desires of mans heart are evil from the start, nor will I ever again strike down all living beings, as I have done."
Which poses a few questions regarding this god himself. If man is evil from the start, then whose fault is that, and didn't god, the omniscient, know that would be the case before he created them. God was sorry he created man, and then he was sorry he murdered them all. Doesn't say much for gods "omniscience."
But the main point I made to seer was that the biblical god disagreed with him about mans moral character.Last edited by JimL; 09-06-2019, 06:01 PM.
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Originally posted by seer View PostNo, like what a supremely Creator had the ability to do.
And remember Jim there are scientists suggesting the the universe was created from LITERALLY nothing. I'm glad science is finally catching up!
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