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  • #91
    Originally posted by seer View Post
    Neat how God directed the evolutionary process to endow the human family with a sense of right or wrong.
    Again, evolution is what it is, but that god did it is simply your desired belief. I'm sure that if a god existed and wanted us to know with certainty of his/her/its existence, then with certainty we'd know. Don't you think!

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    • #92
      Originally posted by seer View Post
      I said man has an inherent nature to do bad (and good BTW) - no one would disagree with this.
      No one would disagree, except for your god, you mean! Genesis 7: 5-6 Genesis 9: 21

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      • #93
        Originally posted by JimL View Post
        No one would disagree, except for your god, you mean! Genesis 7: 5-6 Genesis 9: 21
        You just posted verses that agreed with what seer said.

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        • #94
          Originally posted by JimL View Post
          Again, evolution is what it is, but that god did it is simply your desired belief. I'm sure that if a god existed and wanted us to know with certainty of his/her/its existence, then with certainty we'd know. Don't you think!
          And your desired belief is that unaided nature did it. That the laws of nature just happened to create an ordered universe, then just happened to create conditions for life, then just happened to created primitive life, then just happened to cause this primitive life evolve to complex life, then just happened to cause some of this life to be self-aware. And just happened to cause this conscious life to become morally aware - and here we magically are!
          Last edited by seer; 09-06-2019, 10:22 AM.
          Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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          • #95
            Originally posted by JimL View Post
            Again, evolution is what it is, but that god did it is simply your desired belief. I'm sure that if a god existed and wanted us to know with certainty of his/her/its existence, then with certainty we'd know. Don't you think!
            There are millions of people around the world who are quite certain. God came down as a man, and walked the earth. I certainly am certain! And this vast body of certain believers has been going on for 2000 years!

            Oh, and Jesus was definitely male.
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #96
              Originally posted by seer View Post
              And your desired belief is that unaided nature did it. That the laws of nature just happened to create the conditions for life, then just happened to created primitive life, then just happened to cause this primitive life evolve to complex life, then just happened to cause some of this life to be self-aware. And just happened to cause this conscious life to become morally aware - and here we magically are!
              You're confusing nature with magic. Magic/miracles is the fantasy realm of gods.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by JimL View Post
                You're confusing nature with magic. Magic/miracles is the fantasy realm of gods.
                Sorry your position sound more like magic than all this being done by an Intelligence...
                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                  There are millions of people around the world who are quite certain. God came down as a man, and walked the earth. I certainly am certain! And this vast body of certain believers has been going on for 2000 years!
                  Yes, and there are millions who believe in other different god stories as well. Same idea, different god.
                  Oh, and Jesus was definitely male.
                  Well of course, it was a patriarchal society. Interesting how it was pretty much an all male club! Don't ya think!

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by JimL View Post
                    You're confusing nature with magic. Magic/miracles is the fantasy realm of gods.
                    because when you add a lot of time and random chance, magic becomes "science"


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                    • Originally posted by seer View Post
                      Sorry your position sound more like magic than all this being done by an Intelligence...
                      Intelligence would suggest that god had to go about his creating according to the previously existing rules of nature, seer. Otherwise god could have just gone Puff, and spoke the universe into existence. Oh wait, that is what he did, no? He said let it be, and it was. Like magic!

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                      • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                        You just posted verses that agreed with what seer said.
                        Better go re-read them.

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                        • Originally posted by JimL View Post
                          Intelligence would suggest that god had to go about his creating according to the previously existing rules of nature, seer. Otherwise god could have just gone Puff, and spoke the universe into existence. Oh wait, that is what he did, no? He said let it be, and it was. Like magic!
                          No, like what a supremely Creator had the ability to do. And remember Jim there are scientists suggesting the the universe was created from LITERALLY nothing. I'm glad science is finally catching up!
                          Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                          • Originally posted by JimL View Post
                            Better go re-read them.
                            sure.

                            First let's see what Seer said:

                            I said man has an inherent nature to do bad (and good BTW) - no one would disagree with this.
                            You then said,

                            No one would disagree, except for your god
                            Now let's look at the verses you quoted:

                            Gen 7:5-6
                            5 And Noah did all that the Lord commanded him. 6 Noah was 600 years old when the floodwaters engulfed the earth

                            [5- Noah does good. Not sure what verse 6 has to do with it]

                            Gen 9:21 When he drank some of the wine, he got drunk and uncovered himself inside his tent.
                            [Noah does bad]

                            How does that disagree with what Seer said that man has an inherent nature to do bad (and good?)

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                            • Originally posted by JimL View Post
                              Well of course, it was a patriarchal society. Interesting how it was pretty much an all male club! Don't ya think!
                              Is this why you're posting as a male, ya boob?
                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                              • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                                Is this why you're posting as a male, ya boob?
                                Did you just assume his gender? er, I mean ziz gender?

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