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  • #76
    Originally posted by Adrift View Post
    Pretty sure he's wrong anyways.
    This seems to suggest that he accepted a form of theistic evolution

    I'm always still in trouble again

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    • #77
      Originally posted by seer View Post
      So they don't believe in evolution!
      "The lost link of Darwinian theory is itself a proof that man is not an animal. How is it possible to have all the links present and that important link absent? Its absence is an indication that man has never been an animal. It will never be found."

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Adrift View Post
        "The lost link of Darwinian theory is itself a proof that man is not an animal. How is it possible to have all the links present and that important link absent? Its absence is an indication that man has never been an animal. It will never be found."
        Kinda reminds me of the Mormon "prophets" who spoke for God, but subsequent "prophets" who speak for God tend to show that the prior "prophet" misspoke, or God changed his mind...
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
          This seems to suggest that he accepted a form of theistic evolution
          Eh, they're fudging a bit. If he believed in evolution it was likely closer to the YEC distinction between "microevolution" and "macroevolution."

          So, for instance, that article states,
          Some Answered Questions

          But this is what he actually says in Some Answered Questions,

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Adrift View Post
            Eh, they're fudging a bit. If he believed in evolution it was likely closer to the YEC distinction between "microevolution" and "macroevolution."

            So, for instance, that article states,
            Some Answered Questions

            But this is what he actually says in Some Answered Questions
            I wonder if Shuny believes that evolution was a purposeful directed divine plan of God?
            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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            • #81
              Originally posted by seer View Post
              I wonder if Shuny believes that evolution was a purposeful directed divine plan of God?
              I'm not sure he even knows what he believes.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by seer View Post
                Shuny, what the hell are you talking about? Your religion teaches that all humans today are the direct offspring of Adam. Your quotes do not contradict that, they don't even speak of Adam. If they do contradict my quotes then there is serious contradiction in your religion.
                This is the spiritual relationship between humanity and Adam, and to a degree the ancestry of the Manifestations of God and humanity through the male lineage.

                Again . . .

                They are separate realities in the Baha'i writings, and I provided references describing this.

                You persist in being an absolute litralist, not only with the Bible, but the Baha'i Faith and other religions when it suits you to justify your agenda. I cited Baha'i writings that openly contradict your biased assertions, but you choose to ignore them. Based on the citations. The Baha'i writings describe both a cyclic spiritual evolution in Revelation, but also an evolving physical evolution, in particular specifically of the evolution of humanity from the animal kingdom.

                the Baha'i writings do not date the physical prehistory of the evolution of humanity, but based on the citations I provided that describe human evolution in the animal kingdom it relies on science for th knowledge of the physical history and time frame of our existence and the evolution of life and humanity, because of the belief in the Harmony of Science and Religion.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Adrift View Post
                  "The lost link of Darwinian theory is itself a proof that man is not an animal. How is it possible to have all the links present and that important link absent? Its absence is an indication that man has never been an animal. It will never be found."
                  Inerrancy only concerns the spiritual teachings.

                  Last edited by shunyadragon; 09-05-2019, 12:42 PM.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
                    This is the spiritual relationship between humanity and Adam, and to a degree the ancestry of the Manifestations of God and humanity through the male lineage.

                    Again . . .

                    They are separate realities in the Baha'i writings, and I provided references describing this.

                    You persist in being an absolute litralist, not only with the Bible, but the Baha'i Faith and other religions when it suits you to justify your agenda. I cited Baha'i writings that openly contradict your biased assertions, but you choose to ignore them. Based on the citations. The Baha'i writings describe both a cyclic spiritual evolution in Revelation, but also an evolving physical evolution, in particular specifically of the evolution of humanity from the animal kingdom.

                    the Baha'i writings do not date the physical prehistory of the evolution of humanity, but based on the citations I provided that describe human evolution in the animal kingdom it relies on science for th knowledge of the physical history and time frame of our existence and the evolution of life and humanity, because of the belief in the Harmony of Science and Religion.
                    Shuny, you are denying what your religion teaches and:

                    . The appearance of humans, he said, was the culmination of the process. In fact, creation would be imperfect and incomplete without us."
                    So do you agree that evolution was a purposeful and directed divine plan of God?
                    Last edited by seer; 09-05-2019, 12:40 PM.
                    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
                      Inerrancy only concerns the spiritual teachings.
                      http://bahai-library.com/uhj_infallibility_abdulbaha

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Adrift View Post
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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                          This seems to suggest that he accepted a form of theistic evolution
                          True, The Baha'i Faith believes in Divinely direct evolution, ie Theistic Evolution. Regardless of form of appearance humans were always intended to be human. The Baha'i Faith does not define the time frame of evolution. It accepts the physical evolution of life and humanity as described as the Science of Evolution.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
                            True, The Baha'i Faith believes in Divinely direct evolution
                            Welcome to the intelligent design camp Shuny...
                            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by seer View Post
                              And I'm not sure what you mean about God - if man decides what is good or bad then nothing is inherently good or bad. It is only good because man says so.

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                              • #90
                                Neat how God directed the evolutionary process to endow the human family with a sense of right or wrong.
                                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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