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    Willing to Share Struggles with Sin

    One of my friends has been attending a church for several months. He noticed that no one in the church talks openly about their struggles with sin. He talks to people before and after the service. He has been attending different social events and Bible studies at the church. Moreover, the pastor does not talk about his personal struggles with sin from the pulpit. He said that when people don't talk about their struggles with sin, they are putting up a barrier between themselves and other people. They are not having fellowship to the degree that they could have it. Moreover, some people might get the wrong impression that they are trying to hide something.

    What do you think about this? Should a pastor to share openly his struggles with sin from the pulpit? Should everyone else be open to sharing their struggles?

    I agree that people should be open to talking about their struggles with sin. People should have nothing to hide.

    Just because you don't hear someone talking about their struggles with sin, does not mean that they never do. Some people only share their struggles with a close friend or with family members. Others share about the intimate details of their lives in certain situations.

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    It can quite often become a pissing contest for who either struggles the most or has sinned the "biggest". Many see talking about their sin as glorifying their sin. It's a rather difficult thing to adequately discuss without keeping it in the proper frame of mind.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornet View Post
    One of my friends has been attending a church for several months. He noticed that no one in the church talks openly about their struggles with sin. He talks to people before and after the service. He has been attending different social events and Bible studies at the church. Moreover, the pastor does not talk about his personal struggles with sin from the pulpit. He said that when people don't talk about their struggles with sin, they are putting up a barrier between themselves and other people. They are not having fellowship to the degree that they could have it. Moreover, some people might get the wrong impression that they are trying to hide something.

    What do you think about this? Should a pastor to share openly his struggles with sin from the pulpit? Should everyone else be open to sharing their struggles?

    I agree that people should be open to talking about their struggles with sin. People should have nothing to hide.

    Just because you don't hear someone talking about their struggles with sin, does not mean that they never do. Some people only share their struggles with a close friend or with family members. Others share about the intimate details of their lives in certain situations.
    Sounds like you and your friend just want some gossip.

    We should confess our sins but to people who know us, not out in public. An exception would be if you are a pastor and your sin is affecting your relationship with your flock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Sounds like you and your friend just want some gossip.

    We should confess our sins but to people who know us, not out in public. An exception would be if you are a pastor and your sin is affecting your relationship with your flock.
    We don't intend to find gossip. I think my friend's point was that there should be nothing to hide.

    I don't think people should share all of their sins to anyone they meet. If they are meeting with a counselor, they can share their struggles or if they have a close friend, they can share them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornet View Post
    We don't intend to find gossip. I think my friend's point was that there should be nothing to hide.

    I don't think people should share all of their sins to anyone they meet. If they are meeting with a counselor, they can share their struggles or if they have a close friend, they can share them.
    I don't want to go to church to hear people complain or whine or confess everything they are struggling with. If someone has sinned against me, then yes, he needs to confess to me and ask forgiveness. If he has sinned against someone else, then confess to them. He doesn't need to tell the entire church and everyone he meets. He should in addition confess to God and ask for forgiveness.

    There is entirely too much gossiping going on in churches under the guise of "praying for someone"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    I don't want to go to church to hear people complain or whine or confess everything they are struggling with. If someone has sinned against me, then yes, he needs to confess to me and ask forgiveness. If he has sinned against someone else, then confess to them. He doesn't need to tell the entire church and everyone he meets. He should in addition confess to God and ask for forgiveness.

    There is entirely too much gossiping going on in churches under the guise of "praying for someone"
    I think a more appropriate setting might be something like a men's Bible study.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    I think a more appropriate setting might be something like a men's Bible study.
    Agreed. Like I said earlier, you should be confessing to people you know. Having a friend to hold you accountable is also important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Agreed. Like I said earlier, you should be confessing to people you know. Having a friend to hold you accountable is also important.
    I agree that there has to be some place in the church where people can talk about their sins and struggles with them.

    In looking at the OP, it could be implied that the church never talks about sin even as a sermon topic. In the church I am struggle with whether to stay at or not, sin and repentance has been replaced by therapy so you never hear about sin and the need for repentance. I'm wondering if that is where the friend in the OP meant?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
    I agree that there has to be some place in the church where people can talk about their sins and struggles with them.

    In looking at the OP, it could be implied that the church never talks about sin even as a sermon topic. In the church I am struggle with whether to stay at or not, sin and repentance has been replaced by therapy so you never hear about sin and the need for repentance. I'm wondering if that is where the friend in the OP meant?
    Maybe?

    I went to my brother's church occasionally (Southern Baptist) and his preacher (now replaced) was the Hellfire and Brimstone type of preacher who was constantly preaching about sin and hell, and doing the redfaced yelling thing, to the point that you felt guilty just sitting there. So preaching sin can be taken too far. People were leaving the church because of this guy.

    I think a balance is needed. People need to know that sin is bad and we need Jesus, but then Jesus needs to be offered as the answer. The Gospel is the "Good News" after all.

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