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"For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6
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Originally posted by Hornet View PostOne of my friends has been attending a church for several months. He noticed that no one in the church talks openly about their struggles with sin. He talks to people before and after the service. He has been attending different social events and Bible studies at the church. Moreover, the pastor does not talk about his personal struggles with sin from the pulpit. He said that when people don't talk about their struggles with sin, they are putting up a barrier between themselves and other people. They are not having fellowship to the degree that they could have it. Moreover, some people might get the wrong impression that they are trying to hide something.
What do you think about this? Should a pastor to share openly his struggles with sin from the pulpit? Should everyone else be open to sharing their struggles?
I agree that people should be open to talking about their struggles with sin. People should have nothing to hide.
Just because you don't hear someone talking about their struggles with sin, does not mean that they never do. Some people only share their struggles with a close friend or with family members. Others share about the intimate details of their lives in certain situations.Last edited by Rushing Jaws; 09-02-2019, 10:17 PM.
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My/Hubby's pastor spoke of knocking over someone's fancy coffee and then messing up trying to save it as though it was something that needed repentance. The next week he brought a Starbucks gift card to replace it. That was an effective example for the sermon, and I won't forget how he replaced it any time soon.I am become death...
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Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View PostThat sounds about right to me. I know pastors are human and have their own set of struggles. However when he is leading the worship service or otherwise acting in official capacity, he shouldn't be sharing those struggles. I hope all pastors have a place to share these things.
It's a tough balancing act for a church. As pointed out, sharing your sins with others can just make you the center of gossip. On the other hand, if the church presents that everyone is living a perfect life with no struggles (sin or otherwise), you discourage those who are struggling. They will either hide their struggles or stop coming. As it is said, the church is (in part) a hospital for the wounded.
To go to the third hand, I don't join a church for free therapy. Unfortunately some of the small groups I've joined, basically are therapy or self-help groups. Therapy has it's place buts not the whole of the church's purpose.
I'm not sure what the exact answer is. I know that haven't seen it done in over 10 years.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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One principle I have read and think I more or less agree with is the number of people you disclose your sin to should depend on how many people were affected/sinned against. So if somebody stole some money from a church offering, it might be appropriate to tell the entire church. Generally speaking, sexual sins aren't usually going to be covered here. I could think of exceptions, though. If an elder/pastor/etc. was caught in a prostitution sting that resulted in their picture being all over the news, it would be appropriate to confess before the entire church (and for them to step aside indefinitely) This would still be consistent with my principle because a sin that became this public would bring shame upon the entire congregation."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostIt can quite often become a pissing contest for who either struggles the most or has sinned the "biggest". Many see talking about their sin as glorifying their sin. It's a rather difficult thing to adequately discuss without keeping it in the proper frame of mind.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostI think a more appropriate setting might be something like a men's Bible study.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYeah, I often point out that, when I was younger, it seemed we would hear testimonies of people who had lived a life of crime, including imprisonment for same, and they would tend to go on and on about how bad they were --- then they got saved. It was like - the badder they were, the better their salvation was. I live it when somebody is gloriously saved, but let's hear about what Christ has done in your life AFTER Salvation, not just your wickedness before!
I agree we need more emphasis of after salvation stories and less before salvation. (Could we actually call these before salvation stories that get excessively bad and detailed, "Christian porn?")"For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6
"Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostOne principle I have read and think I more or less agree with is the number of people you disclose your sin to should depend on how many people were affected/sinned against. So if somebody stole some money from a church offering, it might be appropriate to tell the entire church. Generally speaking, sexual sins aren't usually going to be covered here. I could think of exceptions, though. If an elder/pastor/etc. was caught in a prostitution sting that resulted in their picture being all over the news, it would be appropriate to confess before the entire church (and for them to step aside indefinitely) This would still be consistent with my principle because a sin that became this public would bring shame upon the entire congregation.Last edited by Hornet; 09-10-2019, 11:38 AM.
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