Let me preface this by saying I do not believe in Universal Salvation. However, I've seen it argued that this world could mean 'age-lasting'. This site argues that there are instances where this is the case. Notably, in 1 Enoch 10:10 which equates 'eternal life' to 500 years (See here). We do have a greek text of 1 Enoch available and apparently, the word used for 'eternal' is αιωνιον. Thoughts?
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Does αἰώνιος always refer to an endless duration of time in the New Testament?
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Does αἰώνιος always refer to an endless duration of time in the New Testament?
-The universe begins to look more like a great thought than a great machine.
Sir James Jeans
-This most beautiful system (The Universe) could only proceed from the dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being.All variety of created objects which represent order and Life in the Universe could happen only by the willful reasoning of its original Creator, whom I call the Lord God.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostAre they arguing that punishment in hell won't be eternal by arguing the word for "forever"?
If that is the case, then neither would our glorified lives be eternal would they?
Having said that, my understanding is that the Hebrew word translated as "forever" doesn't necessarily mean that. This doesn't really affect the hell debate because it isn't really taught in the Old Testament, but it is interesting. The KJV of Exodus 21:6 translated the word (I think it's olam) as "for ever" in the context of a slave serving a master for life. More recent English translations like the "NIV' translate it as "for life" instead."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Now αἰών can mean "age", but "In the NT αἰώνιος (with the rare → ἀΐδιος) is used in the sense of eternal..." (TDNT)
Blessings,
Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostAre they arguing that punishment in hell won't be eternal by arguing the word for "forever"?
If that is the case, then neither would our glorified lives be eternal would they?
“Then they will go away to age-lasting punishment, but the righteous to age-lasting life.”
with the length of the age (maybe without end, maybe not) not being specified in this verse.-The universe begins to look more like a great thought than a great machine.
Sir James Jeans
-This most beautiful system (The Universe) could only proceed from the dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being.All variety of created objects which represent order and Life in the Universe could happen only by the willful reasoning of its original Creator, whom I call the Lord God.
Sir Isaac Newton
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Originally posted by Quantum Weirdness View PostIf we're talking about Matt 25:46, then it may be possible to translate αἰώνιος as age-lasting.
Blessings,
Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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To answer the thread title, no.
Strong's Concordance
aión: a space of time, an age
Original Word: αἰών, ῶνος, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: aión
Phonetic Spelling: (ahee-ohn')
Definition: a space of time, an age
Usage: an age, a cycle (of time), especially of the present age as contrasted with the future age, and of one of a series of ages stretching to infinity.
καὶ ἰδὼν συκῆν μίαν ἐπὶ τῆς ὁδοῦ ἦλθεν ἐπ’ αὐτήν, καὶ οὐδὲν εὗρεν ἐν αὐτῇ εἰ μὴ φύλλα μόνον, καὶ λέγει αὐτῇ Οὐ μηκέτι ἐκ σοῦ καρπὸς γένηται εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα. καὶ ἐξηράνθη παραχρῆμα ἡ συκῆ.
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"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by Unitarian101 View PostWho or what does "Him" mean in above ?
Blessings,
Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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